I have both, and although they are young, I'll share my experience to date. :o)

I have a gazebo-arch with three "legs".

Almost three years ago, I planted three Edens to grow up over it. They've been extremely slow to grow and very stingy bloomers for me. But, the few blooms were undeniably gorgeous.

One of the Edens died over the first winter.

Last year, out of the two remaining Edens, one climbed nicely, nearly reaching the top of the arch by the end of the summer. But, I had a total of three roses the entire year on that one.

The other gave me about three blooms total as well, although barely reaching knee height.

Disappointed at the lack of progress, I planted some Nahema roses.

They took off!

Bloomed pretty much constantly, reaching the top of the arch the first summer.

The leaves are a bit strange looking -the way they curve - but the blooms are gorgeous and the smell is absolutely beautiful.

I ordered another Nahema this spring, but no Eden.

Obviously, since I'm up here in Canada, you might have a VERY different experience. LOL

I have 3 Edens and 1 White Eden. They seem to mostly only bloom in spring here. Super pretty when they do..but still. I don't have Nahema but if it does bloom more, you might want that one lol.

I don't know much about Nahema -- gave one to a relative as a present, but she planted it in full shade. She is moving it this summer, so maybe I'll have a better idea about how it behaves by next year.

My Eden/Pierre de Ronsard is five or six years in the ground now, in full sun, south-facing. There is a lot of pavement around that area, so I think of it as at least a zone hotter than my 8b. Eden LOVES this location. It grew relatively quickly there (own root) and is now quite sprawling. I think in the first year it bloomed once, and thereafter bloomed twice per year (two distinct flushes) until last year, when it bloomed pretty much non-stop all summer. Why? I've got no idea. Maybe it loved the hellacious heat and wildfire smoke we had. Maybe it finally hit maturity. Maybe it loves the fact that I let it sprawl out and barely train it. I don't know. In France, and there I have seen it growing against stone walls on the Ile de Ré, which is very sunny and warm in the summer (hollyhocks also grow well there) so I suspect that it can take some heat and that it loves full sun. I have seen pictures of it trained around a post before, so it is possible -- but you will want to be on top of securing its canes to the post if you do this, because they do eventually get very stiff and structural if you leave them to their own devices. Some people say they can detect a fragrance from it, but to me it smells of nothing. This is extremely disappointing, and if it weren't doing so well where I have it (and successfully deterring men who want to pee in the alley behind it -- seriously!) I would put something more fragrant in its place. Its foliage is healthy in my garden -- but we are in VERY different zones. Do you see it growing in your area? It is really unmistakeable, so should be easy to ID if you see it.

Here are some pictures of it last summer, looking positively feral (yes, I actually pruned and trained it last month, so hopefully it won't be sweeping the ground with its blooms this coming summer!) The fence is five feet tall. By winter the rose had several new 10-12 foot canes sprouting out from its base like an octopus.

Tammy: what a chalk and cheese experience with Eden and Nahema! What a thrill it must have been to see Nahema going gangbusters. You make an excellent point about the climate differences between Ontario and down here in Oz!

K S: no adjectives can describe the glory of that Eden. It's a work of art. Your description of its heat tolerance/preference is very useful: the position I'm considering is surrounded by paving too. The anti-urination benefits made me laugh so hard: they should include that in the product description in the catalogue. Seeing your glorious pictures makes me worry that Eden may overtake my whole house if I plant it on the verandah. I'm starting to think that a backyard location may be wiser, where there's room for him to spread his octopus legs. I've not seen it anywhere in my neighbourhood, but I'll have to go on a wander and take a closer look around.

Eden has very thick canes with large pointy things on them!! Many times the flowers are so large and heavy with petals, that you have to make sure you tie the canes in well.

Nahema tends to grow long and lean and even bends over at the top. The canes are long and

flexible. Excellent climber to have where you can take a sniff as you pass by.

I wrapped two of my porch pillars with Edens. This year marks the 5th year in the ground and I only really started taking care of them in the 3rd year. The picture is 2 years ago and probably my best year with them. Last year I had a lot of growth but I also was attacked by thrips and got very few roses.

These photos are outrageously beautiful. Lbpetals z10b how do you ever actually make it into your house? I'd just stand outside gawking at the roses. Congratulations on such a beautiful specimen. oldrosarian, your Nahema looks so healthy it belongs in a rose catalogue. You must have ten green thumbs!

Tammy, are your Nahemas own root or grafted? Eden and Nahema are two roses that take my breath away.

I have just purchased 2 bare rooted Nahema roses to cover a newly built pergola I am unsure exactly what to do with them at the moment as my pergola is still unfinished ( about 3 - 4 weeks ) should I ‘heel them in’ or pot them up and transplant when the pergola is finished. I would appreciate any advice as I don’t want to loose them

I would pot them up and have them ready to go for the pergola ! :)

Thanks lilyfinch I will take your advice