Oh my . . . If MN is not an option, GOOD LUCK with GdD.

Is it more problematic than MN?

I was anxious to grow 'Gloire de Dijon', as it was happening across a photo of it which began a chain of events that eventuated in my continuing study of old roses.

My first specimen, budded, grew vigorously for a few years, then began to show signs of the die-back disease which at length carried off about a third of my collection. As this 'Gloire de Dijon' was among the first old roses I planted, and was also among the first to show this disease, I suspect it may have been the source in my garden. Even in its illness, though, it was among the most floriferous roses I had; and pathetic it was to see it bravely blooming away as the canes yellowed and withered.

My second 'Gloire de Dijon' was own-root. Like the first, it grew for a few years, then began to die.

My third 'Gloire de Dijon' was a kind gift from someone whose stock I have confidence in, and which he had confidence in. It grew for a few years, then withered and died. I was certain that it was something inherent to my garden; but then I heard from someone who had received a 'Gloire de Dijon' from this same source, and whose plant did exactly what mine did.

I don't know how it is with stock of 'Gloire de Dijon' overseas; but here, I've grown weary of these three or four year 'Gloire de Dijon' death marches I've had to witness. I am nothing if not loyal, and would very much like to pay tribute in my garden to the rose which meant so much to my gardening life and life in general; but . . . I am wary of any more attempts with 'Gloire de Dijon'.

I've not had success with GdD but Reve d'Or is very happy and healthy. Mine is the clone from the Sacramento Cemetery and is a vigorous rose.

I've heard it said that the current GdD is in decline.

"Gloire de Dijon is effectively an autotetraploid. Judging from old descriptions, this variety has suffered a general decline in vigor that cannot easily be attributed to viral infection." from Gigantism, Polyploidy and Hybrid Chinas by Karl King

Diane

Here is a link that might be useful: Reve d'Or at Helpmefind

Another "problem" that I've heard GdD has is naked canes at the bottom. Of course they can be covered up with other plants but I still find that off-putting. Personally I love Reve d'Or and would choose it if I wanted a climber in that color range.

Ingrid

Hmph. Can't seem to pick out a decent yellow Noisette it seems!

Reve d'Or may have to be the one then. And it's Earth-kind to boot. I will post a pic later of the spot I am thinking of for this rose.

Josh

Judging from reports from around the country, 'Crepuscule' seems widely adapted in zone 7 and warmer.

A friend tried 'Gloire de Dijon' here. It suffered from winter damage, dieback, poor vigor, and blackspot.

Michael,

I looked at Crepuscule and I am not a fan of how the spent blooms resemble used tissues in their form.

How does the community feel about Duchesse d'Auerstadt?

Josh

I have never seen a bad looking Reve d'Or. Given the kind of care you are providing for your other roses, it would be fantastic.

Kitty,

Thank you for your kind words! :) I was very nearly to the conclusion that Reve D'Or would be best as well but your post gave me the push I needed. Reve D'Or will have to be the yellow Noisette I desire. I hope it is as fragrant as I hope!

Josh

Josh, I don't know whether you've considered Cl. Lady Hillingdon but I can tell you from experience that it's wonderful, to my nose actually more fragrant than Reve d'Or, and a prolific bloomer. I really think you need both but you might want to research the Lady before you make your final decision.

Ingrid

Thanks Ingrid! I took a look at Lady Hillingdon. HMF says it only grows to 6', but we all know the numbers are usually off. How large does she get for you?

Josh

Six feet???? They must have been growing her in Siberia. I'm sure you can easily double that. I can't tell you from personal experience since I left the garden where I grew her when she was about 7 1/2 feet and that was only in her third year, and in that decomposed granite junk at that.

Ingrid

Ahh, 'Gloire de Dijon', what a beautiful thing. Like Brent, I have had several, and the only ones that thrived were budded onto a strong understock. This rose is a lot like certain perennials; it will grow and flourish for a few years, then swiftly goes into decline and before you know it, its defunct. Perhaps it is best thought of as a kind of Lupin, or Hollyhock!

Paul, lupins and hollyhocks are easily disposed of. Getting rid of yards and yards of wickedly thorned thick stems is another thing altogether. Much better to choose something that will stick around until you meet your maker and then someone else has to worry about it.

Ingrid

Cli Lady Hillingdon when grown well is a rose to die for Josh. I didn't think of it because I didn't have enough sun/warmth to make her happy but she's even more wonderful than Reve d'Or and more fragrant and a stronger color. She grows at least 15 feet here in the SF Bay area.

Diane

Josh, I think you were looking at 'Lady Hillingdon' instead of 'Lady Hillingdon, Cl' when you saw the "up to 6' tall' bit.

:-)

~Christopher

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Lady Hillingdon, Cl' at HelpMeFind

Does anyone grow both Cl and bush Lady Hillingdon?

Any thoughts on similarities in bloom, scent and heat tolerance?

I have a bush form from Burlington, but with out Vintage where would one find the climbing version?

I am astonished that Gloire de Dijon should be so difficult for you. I had to move my plant after five years but it didn't like the move and died the following winter. It was never tall for me but flowered well. There used to be a huge plant covering a wall of Waldemarsudde, a royal villa in Stockholm but I haven't checked in later years.

Sorry about the bad quality of the photo but it was scanned by a friend who borrowed it to illustrate an article in a magazine.

In Sweden!

Maybe it's true that we have a degenerate clonal line here in North America.

I've seen some healthy-looking specimens of 'Gloire de Dijon' in Italy and the UK.

Did anyone here happen to order the much-anticipated Meurseault "Clone" of GdD that was one of the roses Vintage imported from Hook & Ducher? Let's hope it wasn't among the H&D group that failed to survive the import process, Does anyone know?

Here is a link that might be useful: Vintage's 2 GdD

I saw that a new stock of GdD was set to be imported, as the belief is that our clone is degenerate. If anyone has a way to get a hold of cuttings, I would be interested.

I indeed was looking at the regular Lady Hillingdon. Thanks Chris!

My only concern regarding which rose to choose is the fact that for the location of the rose (it will be eating a shed), I may be unable to provide care to the part of the plant which sits on top of the shed roof. Reve d'Or, being Earthkind, may just provide that little extra oomph of health and vigor I am looking for in a house eater.

Does anyone have experience setting a rose on eating a shed? I worry the weight of the plant may become too much for the shed. Do you all think this is a possibility? I certainly don't need the plant making the shed collapse...

Josh

Josh I had the used tissue response about Crepuscule when I first saw pictures of it, too. Then I saw it locally, and wow--it made my knees weak!

I've had Crepuscule, Cl. Lady Hillingdon and Reve d'Or and, as far as beauty of the flower is concerned, would put Crepuscule as no. 3. However, such things are always a matter of personal taste. I did feel that Crepuscule was more bushy and less linear than the other two, for what that's worth.

Ingrid

I can't find anything about that rose -- where did you find it? Does it go by another name? Or....are you just being silly? Haha.

:-)

~Christopher

This post was edited by AquaEyes on Sun, Sep 1, 13 at 1:36

Just being silly. ;-)

Funny, Belle.

It's not a Noisette-Tea, "just" a yellow Tea, but, if a yellow of this sort is being sought: Does anyone recommend (or warn against) 'Climbing Perle des Jardins'? (I haven't grown it myself, neither the climber nor the bush form.) Another which I don't believe has been mentioned--and it *is* a Tea-Noisette--would be 'Celine Forestier'.

I really liked that Grey Poupon joke. :)

I decided I wanted to grow Gloire De Dijon here in my mountaintop home in zone 8 Oregon near Portland, but I read that Bboy (Embothrium) advised that it would not grow well own root in our climate. Since his advice is nearly always good, I embarked on a search for a grafted specimen to no avail. Finally I placed an own root tube in my protected "zone 9" corner of a patio with full Southern sun, noon to dusk, (until the companion banana gets so big it shades it in later summer). To my delight it has grown tall and flowered well.

Julie, I've always been leery of growing GdD based on the reports of the decline in the US clone. If I were to grow it, I would do as you have done. I'm glad to know it has turned out so well for you.

Rosefolly