Karen, here are three very fragrant, nearly continuous flowering, thornless suggestions.

Renae http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.5185

Annie Laurie McDowell http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.32672

Pink Gate http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.31975

This one is also nearly continuous flowering and very fragrant, though it can have some prickles.

Grandmother's Hat http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.3096

Of course, my favorite of them is Annie Laurie McDowell. It has all the great attributes of the rest and can always be dead headed with a hose. Kim

Where in NoCal are you located??? It matters!

I'd recommend Crepuscule, or Reve d'Or, or maybe Lamarque -- but the first two might not do as well if you are in a cool, coastal zone.

Grandmother's Hat is one of our all-time favorite roses, but it is more upright than climbing for us.

Another suggestion would be Secret Garden Musk Climber, if you can find a source. One of the most fragrant roses I know, does not rust or mildew, and repeats well through the year.

Jeri

I live in the Livermore Amador Valley, which is approximately 40 miles east of San Francisco. Although it does get hot here in the summer, we definitely have some marine influence in the summer and more in the spring, at least enough to be plagued by rust this year.

Any recommendations that might do well in my climate (and not get too large for the trellis) would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Karen

Then, I suspect you'd do fine with Crepuscule or Reve d'Or (the former more a true yellow than the latter).
Lamarque (lemon white) and Secret Garden Musk Climber (single, white) should work fine for you, too.

All of those are fragrant -- SGMC perhaps the most fragrant of the bunch.

I suggest that you run over to the Sacramento City Cemetery -- it's not that far for you -- and take a look at the climbers there. They've used the Hybrid Musk, 'Cornelia' on a wide arch, and it's pretty spectacular.

If you go South, the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden maintains a magnificent collection of climbing roses on a fence at Santa Clara University, around a facilities and equipment area. If you take a printout of the list of roses and locations, you can see what appeals to you, and what doesn't. Some great roses there!

Jeri

Here is a link that might be useful: Santa Clara Fence Climbers

Karen, if you come over to the Sacramento City Cemetery on a Tuesday or Saturday morning, there are almost always some volunteers there until around noon, and you could get a personally conducted tour!

Laura

Wonderful suggestions, all, however, the request was for "I'm looking for a pink rose with good foliage that would do well in a warmer northern Ca climate." Due to the fact the arbor is only 3' deep, I'd suspect that prickles might be a determining factor. The Noisettes and Musks are great roses, except they BITE, big time! And, they aren't "pink". Kim

Muddled, white and red-streaked does not sound like 'New Dawn'.

Muddled does, though.

When I grew mine some years ago I found the bloom to be rather formless most of the time. Only rarely, or perhaps briefly, did I see the lovely form the pictures always show.

Rosefolly

New Dawn can streak red with dew in high heat. It did here...the few times it flowered. Kim

It is useful and good to know other people have had similar experiences with New Dawn.

Given that the size of the arbor is relatively small, I was hoping for a rose that could be controlled to fit within the confines of the arbor.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Karen

Crepuscule is definitely not pink, although she would certainly fit the rest of the criteria.
I don't think Reve D'Or is pink, either, but more a buff-cream?

Renae would do beautifully!!!!

I haven't grown her myself, but Zepherine Drouhin is pink and thornless and has quite a following.

Susan

Pink. Pink...not an OGR, but what about 'Claire Matin'? Good rebloom on that one.

Anyone growing the Kordes 'Jasmina'? OGR look, and very fragrant. Also foliage on the newer Kordes is very good.

Funny, usually pink is the color with the most choices!

Is Rosarium Uetersen too bright? Kim has a stunning photo of that one and would be the one to ask.

I hate to say it but I bought Clair Matin, thinking it was pink, but in warmer climates it's unfortunately not pink at all, but a sort of salmon color. Jasmina is a rose I had but I gave it to a rose friend, who gave it to another rose friend in a cooler garden, since for us the blooms were fleeting and for me actually the rose didn't thrive at all. It all depends on your climate and how cool it is for much of the year.

Peggy Martin and Cl. Pinkie come to mind as suitable climbers. I have Cl. Pinkie in a much less than optimal spot with morning shade and I'm quite happy with it although it does mildew a bit in the spring in my location. With morning sun I think it would be fine. I'm growing mine as a wide bush which is leaning against a house arch.

Ingrid

Karen, this is guaranteed to generate responses...but, New Dawn is primarily useful for extreme conditions. Extreme meaning COLD HARDY. How cold, I have no idea, because, fortunately for me, my worst issue with winter protection is to keep them watered, dead headed and trimmed down so the winds don't rock them loose from the soil. If you read the majority of the posts praising New Dawn, they're from climates with shorter growing/flowering seasons with more extreme winter conditions than many of us experience.

I blame a good portion of the bad experiences with ND on Peter Beales and Thomas' books which promote it as "one of our most useful, shorter, repeat flowering climbers". Well, it CAN be, in the right climate, but in longer, hotter ones, it is down right awful. Mildew to beat the band, muddled, shapless, ugly colored flowers and it must be dead headed to get repeat flowers. Not an easy job considering how huge it can get in a longer climate. Not that it's a "bad rose", but definitely not one for milder climates where there are MANY better choices. Kim

Susan, Zephirine Drouhan is said to have mildew problems in much of CA. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true, because the Good Lord knows, most Bourbons do.

If pink is needed, I'd avoid her, and go back to Kim's original suggestion of Renae.
Or perhaps the HM, 'Cornelia.'
And I stand by my suggestion of Reve d'Or, which is often quite peachy -- CLOSE to pink. :-)

Jeri

Well, I'd say it all comes down to
Renae
Renae
Renae
or
Renae.......:-))))))

Here is a link that might be useful: Renae at HMF

Larger flowers on an arbor can be quite lovely. How important will keeping it dead headed be? How easily will dead heading be to accomplish? If it's important and you hate bleeding as much as I do, Renae or Annie Laurie McDowell. Neither will bite. Both are pink and fragrant. Both flower incessantly. Both are quite healthy and easily trained and both can easily be dead headed with a garden hose. Easy? Kim

I forgot to add
-cl. "le Vesuve" a rapidly repeating pink climbing China rosebush. It is in stock this month (july 2011) at roguevalleyroses.com
an advantage to growing China and Tea rosebushes (and Noisettes) is that they are evergreen in our climate and keep their leaves most of the year.
"Le Vesuve" will produce an extra bloom cycle in late Autumn and bloom again earlier in spring than most H.T.s and H.P.s can. It is also a good August bloomer here during our month of rose-drought. Because fewer roses bloom in that summer month than in June and July, locally.
- about dead heading: I've observed that most evergreen roses are self cleaning at the end of the bloom cycle, (with a hard shaking) Perhaps this is because the rose blossoms of these 3 classes have less substance than most H.T.s and H.P.s and therefore dehydrate more quickly, and therefore the petals fall off more easily after a few days. Not all do, but most of the China,Tea and Noisette roses I've known and grown do this.

Luxrosa

Oh, I sure couldn't knock Cl. White Maman Cochet.
That's an un-matched treasure of a rose.

Jeri

My Annie Laurie McDowell plant bloomed for the first time recently and it was beautiful..very lovely color, not washed out but a lovely lavender pink, and the blooms were very soft, romantic, and fragrant. The leaves are spotless so far and it is thornless. I have not planted it in the ground yet so can't comment on how it grows.

It sounds like you are looking for a hybrid tea form since you describe New Dawn as muddled. Here are some other pinks that you might like the form of:

Blossomtime child of New Dawn but pinker and more pointed, prolific bloomer, some rebloom, some bs

Compassion has pink in it, very fragrant, good rebloom

Harlekin not as pointed but great rebloom and fragrance

Parade " not frag, more often has an OGR form , brilliant pink , vigorous

Rosy Mantle new to me but pretty and fragrant

Linda

I've learned so much from this post, and thanks to all for this information. Thanks also to Kim for illuminating why my New Dawn is performing so poorly here in SW Louisiana's heat and humidity. I've decided to ship ND and Compassion to a friend in North Carolina, where they'll both be much happier. Away with the tiny, muddled, balled messes! And I was just thinking about combining Parade, Harlekin and Mme. Gregoire Staechelin on a tripod, with Mme. Alfred Carriere nearby, but I haven't been able to find information on how Parade and Harlekin perform in heat and humidity...

Grandmother's Hat is a superb rose, one of the best. However, it supports itself so sturdily as a free-standing shrub, I can't imagine why I would go to the bother of training it as a climber.

Rosefolly

Jon of Wessex has Felicia on an arch and it is outstanding to look at. If he see this, maybe he will post a pic.
Kathleen and Cornelia are other Hybrid Musks that might do.
a newer rose that would be great is Compassion.

I do think the idea of running down to the Heritage and taking a look at its climbers is a great idea. Also, call Vintage and see what Greg or Gita suggest. Gita suggested Felica to me years ago and it is one fine rose.

Thank you so much for your recommendations. Of all the criteria I might use to select a climber, appropriate size (not house eating) and good foliage are the most important followed by flowers that do not turn white in the heat. I already have cornelia, felicia, and grandmother's hat growing as shrubs in my yard and enjoy them immensely.

I've been a little disappointed with polyanthas (La Marne, The Fairy, Mrs. William Smith) as they seem to turn to white in the summer time. While others ( Mlle Cecile Brunner, Lady Anne Kidwell, and Clotilde Soupert) are good performers in my yard. Does Renae turn to white in heat?

It is also good to know that my experiences with New Dawn are not unique.

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my question. I so appreciate your generosity of time in sharing your knowledge and experiences.
Thanks,
Karen

Very interesting to learn that Californians hate New Dawn. Here and over much of the East, upper South, and lower Midwest, it is still one of the best big climbers owing to its blackspot resistance and cane-hardiness to around -15 F.

Michael -- it mildews nastily here, where blackspot isn't a problem.

Jeri

I love my Pinkie, but it has what I would call "muddled" blooms. It's a darker pink that Renae, and the flowers are looser, but the bloom is magnificent. It blooms for a long time, too. I also have mine on an arbor- about two feet wide and eight feet tall, four feet across.

Here's a pic.

Here is a link that might be useful: Two climbing Pinkies

hosenemesis, your Cl. Pinkie looks like what Gardendirector Otto Linne does here. Kim

Renee, you came to my rescue!!! I have Pinkie, Cl, and she is all over the place with flopping canes. I have been clueless about what to do with her. Without hijacking Karen's thread, can you tell me how your Mom trained her so beautifully? It seems like that would require a lot of whacking and trimming and reducing the number of canes to keep her that close to the arbor. I would love to have mine look like that. I guess I need lessons!

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

Californians hate New Dawn.

No, it's not that. It's that 'New Dawn' hates California...

And now back to what Karen needs for her arbor.

hoovb, I think it's a mutual hatred. New Dawn hates not being checked by a shorter season with a more extreme winter. Californians (at least those in the land of endless summer) hate New Dawn for its terminal mildew; absolute requirement of being dead headed to have any hopes of anything resembling "repeat" flowering; shapeless, colorless, truly UGLY messes we're expected to consider 'flowers'; and the enormous, prickly, mass of mildewy foliage the plant over grows into. This one NEEDS a shorter growing season with a harder cold period to keep it in check and force it to perform as it is reported to. Been there, done that, found it so bad, I won't touch roses bred from New Dawn. Same goes for anything out of Ballerina, except for Sally Holmes, or The Fairy for pretty much the same reasons. Kim

Interesting observation about Ballerina. She's doing very well for me here in the south Louisiana heat and wet-blanket humidity. Blooms are long-lasting and no disease problems. I do have her planted in a location out of direct sun, however. She's new, though, so we'll see how she does after this winter.

Karen, If you've not already decided, I highly recommend Annie Laurie McDowell. I live in Atlanta which is somewhere near the center of the black spot universe. I have an arbor in my front yard that used to have a different pink climber on it. It was so disease ridden that it looked aweful most of the time. I finally decided to take it out and after much research decided on Annie Laurie McDowell.

This has been a bad year for black spot for me but I just looked at ALM and it doesn't have a spot on it. The leaves are kind of narrow and pointy--different from most other roses. I'm sure others could explain exactly why. I like them. The blooms are a very nice soft pick that only fade VERY SLIGHTLY as they age--never to be considered fading to white. It has a wonderful fragrance.

I got mine as a tiny baby--barely more than a rooted cutting and it has been fairly slow to grow. I would think that if you could find a larger plant it would grow much faster.

Here is a picture I took just this morning of Annie Laurie in my front garden. Sorry it's a little blurry.

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ALM is paired with a clematis--notice Annie's leaves on the left--not a spot on them. This is a great rose!

Jeff

Good morning Jeff! What a lovely recommendation! Thank you! I have loved this rose since it germinated, but I am prejudiced. The complete lack of prickles; at least here, spotless foliage; wonderful fragrance and her insistence to flower, even at the expense of growth, gained her a place in my heart. You can imagine my delight when my dear friend graciously permitted me to name it for her.

You have now experienced what I've always said about disbudding to encourage climbing growth. If you can harden your heart and pick off the individual flower buds, she will respond with thick, strong basals which WILL climb, then explode into wonderful bunches of those exquisite blooms.

She has never set hips for me and is easily dead headed either by shaking the "bite-less" canes or washing the plant out with a garden hose. Against a block wall here, debris, dirt and spider webs (not spider mites, traditional spiders) collect in her limbs as they do in all the other climbers on the walls. A strong stream of water run through all of them keep the plants clean and healthy. It also keeps Annie Laurie McDowell free from spent flowers and they all appreciate the hydration and cooling off from the bath. We do, why not the roses?

The browning foliage in the photos is due to high heat and water stress, not disease. My experience with Annie Laurie McDowell agrees with yours, Jeff, she stays clean as a whistle here. Thanks for sharing your experience and I hope she brings you joy for years to come! Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Disbudding to push new growth on immature plants

Thanks, Kim. The browning foliage is from the clematis, NOT Annie Laurie.

I guess I should go out and pick off all the buds, sigh.

Oh, sorry, not the browning foliage in YOUR photo, the browned foliage in MY photos on the link. We're in the mid nineties to low hundreds with INTENSE sun. The ALmD rooted plant in my photos is in a two gallon can, close to hardscape and it has some fried leaves. Yours looks wonderful! Kim

The foliage of ALM looks beautiful, and I'm a sucker for good foliage. As I won't be removing New Dawn until winter, I'll use the remaining time to research your excellent suggestions and make a selection.
Thank you,
Karen

Does anyone know what ALM was bred from?
It's such a pretty rose and the foliage is attractive too.

Lux.

It is a seedling of Renae. Bred by Kim Rupert.

Jeri

Thanks Lux. I've loved this rose since she first germinated. I don't ever want to be without her. Kim