Tetraploids to Cross with Native Flame Azalea?

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Nell Jean

18 years ago

Today I toured a facility where lots of native flame azaleas are featured in the landscaping. I had occasion to speak with the horticulturist. The facility has native azaleas from the collection of a gentleman who did extensive work with native azaleas in the sixties and seventies. Some of the azaleas there are from crosses that he made that have been grown on by others since his death.

I asked your specific question and the answer was that there are no other tet azaleas that he knew of. I even wondered aloud whether azaleas could be 'converted' as daylily hybridizers convert 'tets' to 'dips' and he just chuckled and said he is aware of no new work in this area.

I'll post some of the cultivars that I photographed later.

Nell

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Nell Jean

18 years ago

Here are the photos from the private garden. It was hard to narrow them to a manageable album, they are so pretty and photograph so well.

Here is a link that might be useful: Native Azalea Slideshow

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You could ask these nice people: http://www.bovees.com/ Who are the US authorities on vireyas, apparently, However I would also try some Australian gardening forums if you can find them; specifically ones for people in Caires, Darwin and other truely tropical parts. The collusion between Commonwealth culture and tropical climate could well mean they are particularly inclined to growing such plants if they exist; even in mild, oceanic Sydney the vireyas are used as garden subjects so I think, overall, they probably have more expertise with them as a country than anyone in the US. Or even a Florida gardening forum though I suppose it's only Miami and south where conditions are similar to yours. Obviously the various standard southern indicas and southern native Azaleas grow around northern to central Florida but I don't know what their southern limit is. For example, I found this in google: http://www.camelliaglen.com.au/

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Nell Jean

18 years ago

Did I say tets to dips? Silly me, of course I meant dips to tets is what the hemorcallis folk do. I'm just an observer.

It has something to do with colchicine, about which I only know as is prescribed for gout.

Nell

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18 years ago

Hi, Nell ... nice pictures. And thank you for asking the horticulturist about crossing flame azaleas. I did find some info about someone who had created flame azalea hybrids, and it said that the orange would tend to dominate any crosses. Since I already have an orange color that needs no improving, I don't know what my goal would be.

Maybe if I could cross the flame azalea with another intense color, it would be fun to see what the resulting hybrids would look like. Or maybe if I could cross the flame azalea with an evergreen azalea I could see how that went.

I have heard about colchicine, but I believe I read that it can be an unsafe substance ... I think there is a post here somewhere about using a certain weed killer instead of colchicine to induce the mutation. I've never tried anything like that ... but I do think about it from time to time.

And I figured out a trick ... go to azaleas.org and search that site for the word "tetraploid", and you find references to tetraploid azaleas. I see a "Casablanca Tetra", "Road Runner", "Cream Ruffles", "Pink Gloria", "Anytime Tetra", "Guy Yerkes Tetra", "Hershey Red", "Chimes Tetra" ... and also a species "atlanticum f. tetraploid". If anybody here has any of these, I would trade for a budstick that I could force in a vase and get pollen from (things are still dormant in my area).

Here is a link that might be useful: flame azalea hybrid

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