A way to stop the Humanure troll...
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Comments (18)Ya, nutrient levels may not be as toxic if the nutrient is less available. This is more of the case with organics. Ironically, this is a problem on occasion when taking some organic vitamin supplements, as unavailable components may be passed without absorption. Further, manures containing phosphorous can be a problem in some areas, as runoff and leaching pollute groundwater. In fact, even chemical fertilizers are different in different regions because of naturally occuring levels of phosphorous: you don't need as much in the midwest. Long and short of it- excessive use of manures- composted or not- may lead to water pollution issues. As one component in a compost containing lots of other stuff- no biggie. Think about this- where does phosphorous in manure come from? It's nutrient that was incorporated into a plant that was eaten by livestock, concentrated, and passed as waste. Now you take that nutrient- that started out in someone else's soil, possibly as a chemical fertilizer, and you bring concentrated nutrient into your yard. If your yard doesn't really need it, which seems the likely case, then why bring it in? As a lot of folks say here- if you feed the fungi in your soil- they will make the nutrient available to your plant roots. We are fertilizer happy. Organic or not- adding fertilizer makes us feel like we're doing something. I have amybe a dozen bags of UCG's waiting to be spread or used, so maybe I'm as guilty as anyone. As soon as you have a reasonable cycle going in your yard, you should need very little additional nutrient. Here's what I mean- if you have healthy plant growth, then you can assume that you have healthy levels of the needed nutrients in your yard. If you have a good humus level, then the nutrient will not be so soluble that you lose it in runoff. The plant uses nutrient and incorporates it into foliage. That foliage is eventually composted or used as mulch. The nutrient gets recycled. Nitrogen may be lost in the process, unless you have legumes etc. that harvest nitrogen right out of the air. Be vigilant about returning to the soil the nutrient that your plants incorporate into their foliage. The plants harvest N (if you have any legumes) as well as C right out of the air. That carbon ends up as humus in the soil when you mulch or compost falling leaves, trimmings, etc. This may sound like a familiar cycle/scenario: nature does it VERY effectively all around us, without intensive maintenance or addition of unneeded materials. Other nutrients are recycled, and added in reasonable amounts when you use a little manure, or other stuff if needed. Really, the big reasons to add anything, IMO, is that we try and grow exotic species, we don't often grow legumes that do work for us (I'm getting busy on doing that part for myself), we grow food that we eat and then the nutrients are lost into sewer systems (I don't do humanure, so I'm guilty here as well), we procure foods off of that land and need to deal with waste (composting scraps- the opposite of growing your own food), we aren't fanatic about returning nutrient (burn brush or firewood?) or don't do it quickly and therefore have to supplement short-term (brush piles, throw out diseased plants rather that composting). All that said- I'm a big fan of free coffeee grounds and OPL. I heat my house with wood off my property, so composting these ingredients is like harvesting what my woodstove spews into the air. Striving for carbon-neutrality :) I also have poor soil from the previous owner and from what I've had delivered. I am looking forward to having that "cycle" that I talked about- reasonable or not....See MoreHumanure ready after 6 months - ok to use?
Comments (31)i've no doubt that people get sick from some form or other of e-coli or related pathogens the chat is not about that realy, and as i indicated doctors given half a hint by the patient lock into something to make their job easier, people who get sick are very rarely if ever fully tested to find out how they actually got infected. and as there is so little humanure used in our western gardens it is never going to be the cause of any illness, as we have found from using it, recycling all your rottable and human waste makes environmental sense, just pushing a button and letting some other body of people look after your personal waste is not at all responsible mangement of your waste, and i'm not talking about people who are in situations where they can't consider this, that is another story. good mangement of pesonal wastes should be promoted, ok if? and it is a big if? someone has hard evidence of someone suffering fataly and it is with absolute cetainty what caused that then we need to look at what went wrong and where it went wrong before we critisise the process. no one can make anything foolproof, i have said before the fool will circumvent any safety measures. look at your mowers with all the safety features especially the one where you shouln't be able to reach under the mower when it is running ie.,. long handles, dead mans grip lever the second you let it go the engine stops rapidly employing an electro magnetic brake. yet people are still injuring their fingers and toes, how? don't ask me, i'm no fool, but do we see fear hype about the dangers of mowers? when there is going to be clear iriffutable evidence. how do we set things up to beat the fool we can't, it all comes back to common sense, i've used a mower all my adult life haven't never come close to injuring myself, oh! don't take this anywhere please but over here our mowers don't have mcuh if any of those um! safety features, why? you tell me, i make no judgement. len...See Morebest way to rid myself of all this junk mail...
Comments (13)How you get SPAM... To begin with the bad guys send SPAM because that's how they make money, it's their job, it's how they make a living... We're talking millions of dollars here... A lot of spammers are very good at what they do and work extremely hard finding viably e-mail addresses. First off they have programs that search the internet, day and night, 24/7, checking every site and web page for anything that resembles an e-mail address... If you've posted your e-mail anywhere on the internet it's on a SPAM list somewhere... When I say anywhere I mean anywhere, on your own web page, in a Guestbook, on a forum post, MySpace, a blog, anywhere it can be seen it can be grabbed by a spammer. They also have programs that generate names for e-mail addresses, anything that can be found in a dictionary, telephone book, lists of baby names, lists of nick names and such... Anyone who has an internet connection can get a list of all the internet providers in the world... So all they have to do is tell the program to use those names with those providers... Instant SPAM list. Years ago my dial up provider gave their customers FREE web sites... To keep track of all the sites the provider used the customers e-mail addresses as the site names and then posted the list of the sites on the home page... Instant SPAM list.... ( Fortunately they've seen the error of their ways... lol ) Ever sign up for anything FREE on the internet or even registered purchased items and they asked if you wanted to be on their mailing list... Yep, instant SPAM list... Well not all the time but if you don't specify what kind of mail you want from them your address can end up on a SPAM list ( especially the FREE stuff ). Ever get a Forwarded e-mail from a friend with a zillion e-mail addresses in it that tells you to add your name to the list and send it to 10 of your friends... Yep, and if you Forward it, you just created another SPAM list. Ever get mail and you weren't quite sure who it was from or the Subject sounded interesting so you Opened it anyway.. Yep!!! You just added your address to an A #1 golden SPAM list because they know it's a good address and they can sell it to other spammers. Those are a just some of the ways they get your address... So what's the answer... Well, get a new address, pick something no one can guess with lots of letters with numbers mixed in, don't give it out to anyone, create a message rule that sends all your mail to the trash and you MAY stop the SPAM for a week or two... lol Seriously though, never, ever reply to SPAM or click on the links to be removed from their list unless you're absolutely positively sure who sent it... Sometimes reporting them to your internet provider works but after you report the first 100 or so your IP may get a little testy (lol)... Your best bet is to just delete them without opening... Sooner or later they'll slow down... Get a free e-mail account to use for registering for stuff, your internet friends and stuff like that... Only use the e-mail account from your internet provider for family and really close computer savvy friends... BTW, Rules to block e-mail addresses or IP's won't work because they use phony addresses... But, you could make a Rule like this.... Where the from line contains people not in my address book, Delete from Server... But the problem with that is if your friends change their e-mail address before telling you their mail won't get through, same goes for replies from any mail you send out to people not in your address book... Rita...See Morehoaxes or trolls
Comments (28)We can often have so many problems on the internet. We all make our own statements, reply, then suddenly there are problems. Person "A" said something that I did not pay much attention to. Person "B" said something that I can really comment on. There is nothing wrong with my response to Person "B", but suddenly Person "A" who I have long forgotten about is as angry as can be. What I have said in my response to Person "B" has been considered an insult by Person "A". Everything is twisted and distorted, and a disagreement begins. If you stayed with my logic above, my solution has been to try to pay more attention to those who post even when those posts don't concern me, and then to mention names when I specifically respond. I also try to explain myself a little better to keep from accidentally flaming a person. One more thing is that I need to be very clear when I don't want criticism. Sometimes when I ask for suggestions, I only want suggestions for one thing. If I don't make that clear, I can get really offended if I think that someone is trying to tell me how to live or how to feel. Vickie, I doubt if you have ever been a troll. Trolls intend to be disruptive. What you have described is just an internet problem. Sammy...See Morebarb_roselover_in
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