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I.D. This shrub w/ great fuzzy Dark Red Hips?

13 years ago

Just HAD to photo this when we visited Mystic Ct. earlier this summer. What a stunning shrub/hedge. Can you I.D. and tell us about it? i love the shrubs that "keep on giving"(like shasta viburnum where the long blooming flat white flowers become long lasting deep red berry bunches, and then it all goes glorious fall color!)

thanks so much,

mindy

www.cottonarboretum
{{gwi:266480}}From CARB SHRUBS

{{gwi:266481}}From 2010-08-17

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the_plant_geek
13 years ago
Looks like a Rubus sp. to me, not sure which one though. There are some great ornamental brambles out there.

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diggerdee zone 6 CT
13 years ago
Yeah, definitely a wild raspberry. Beautiful, but painful, lol. I've been attacked by too many of these darn things to have much appreciation left for their beauty!

:)
Dee
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SusanC
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It's Rubus phoenicolasius, wine berry, wine raspberry; unfortunately a non-native invasive species.

Here is a link that might be useful: Rubus phoenicolasius description and distribution
arbo_retum
Original Author
13 years ago
ah, the beauty of evil!
susan , thnx so much for that link. i guess i'll just make it a point to visit it and admire whenever I'm in Mystic!
thnks you all,
mindy
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13 years ago
Mindy, it's very interesting that someone has incorporated this into a garden.

In my experience, it's more of an annoying weed, usually along the edge of the woods, that hides and grabs you when you least expect, lol. It either hides in the spring, lowdown and inconspicuously, and tears at your ankles and calves as you walk, or worse, hides amongst the weeds and bites your hands when you pull a bunch of said weeds. Or, it grows to monstrous proportions and reaches out to snag your hair as you walk by, entangling you in it's vicious grip.

Okay, I'm exaggerating - a touch! - but you get the idea. So I find it quite interesting to see it as part of a garden. Just goes to show I need to think outside the box more (to use an expression I don't care for much, but which really says it all!)

:)
Dee
ornata
13 years ago
The Japanese wineberry seems to be viewed as a choice plant here in the UK! In fact diggerdee will probably be amused to hear that it has a certain "snob" appeal as it's not very widely grown. I don't grow it myself (I have enough trouble keeping out the regular brambles that invade from neighbouring land) but I think the bristly red stems look gorgeous when backlit by the winter sun.
denninmi
13 years ago
The flavor of the berries is absolutely incredible. Makes the most exquisite jelly. Unfortunately for me, the canes on only marginally winter hardy here, so a lot of years, they die back and I don't get much of a crop.

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