Thank you! How far from the corner should I plant it? I am concerned about it getting taller than it is wide (as it appears in the above photo --- beautiful as that is!) and the flowers disappearing into the canopy of the juniper trees. I believe the one we had was shipped as a band. Is that too small to plant out, or does it need to be potted up and grown in a pot for a while? If I could plant it out right away then it certainly wouldn't be hard to dig a small hole for a band. The trick will be protecting it from the crows and critters while still small.

Sorry, I was rushing when I posted and forgot to mention that the climate in which mine dies back is zone 4 Minnesota. There's no doubt in my mind that at least in zone 5b and south, it probably doesn't suffer any dieback at all. Now as for the scent, I've smelled plenty of synstylae roses (both species and their hybrids) and this smells quite like multiflora usually does to me - musty, not musky as most others do. Different noses for different roses, though, remember? Don't expect to know what you'll think before you experience it for yourself. Meanwhile, if you have a less than ideal spot for a rose, this one is a good overall landscape plant, I think. It gives a lot without asking a lot.

Thanks for the complements folks - it's a fun area and pretty easy maintenance as compared to the HT/flori roses in other locations. Katyajini, the bushes in the front like GdA get at least some direct sun daily but not the baking hot sun I get on the south side of the house. This bed faces north so there are fairly limited times for direct sun. The filtered sun seems to be sufficient for the HMusk roses to keep up some regular blooming, though the climbing varieties out of the way on the left side of the photo would be happier in particular with more sun. As for if the root competition has restricted their growth, it's like asking if prematurity stunted the growth of my teenage twins - at 5'11" for my daughter and 6'2" for my son, they're already tall and robust enough that it's not an issue. DE and GdA are some of the bigger and more regularly blooming roses among the 1000 or so I have, so I can't tell if they would be yet bigger and more regularly blooming with more sun. Like you I needed to fill a part sun area with something in addition to hydrangeas and other shade perennials, so I picked these roses to suit that location. DE never gets even the supplemental water that the front of of this bed gets in dry weather and it hasn't stunted his growth either, so when I have a survivor rose like that I put it in a survivor location to take advantage of its strengths. Vap, your plan sounds fabulous, and I'm honored to be among the inspirations for what I'm sure will be a lovely wild hill. I have recently planted Applejack just off to the left of this photo on the fence, and Mrs. Anthony Waterer around the other side of the house in mostly shade. They seem to be nicely hardy and are still settling in their second year. I used to have EVS at the center front of that photo till GdA totally ate it for lunch over a couple of years. I also had Danae, Prosperity, and Marjorie Fair planted to the left side of the photo but they didn't survive my zone 5 winters in this spot. They'll probably survive fine for you in zone 6, but they might not cascade as much as in yet another zone warmer. I'm impressed that La Belle Sultane and Madame Plantier would be hardy for you as I haven't even tried those in my zone. The species roses sound like a terrific addition and I'll look forward to seeing your wild pictures of that area. No, MAC wouldn't in my wildest dreams be something I'd recommend as a freestanding rose. Working around MAC is like trying to change the bedsheets around a teenager who refuses to get up on the weekends and takes up all the available space and then some along the way, just rolling reluctantly out of the way with a lot of prodding (ask me how I know...and why they change their OWN sheets). I have MAC tucked up by the bay window against the south side of my house and she drapes herself over a series of peony support rings next to the house so she doesn't obliterate the entire rest of that fussy-pants rose bed. She's like a toddler that finds it irresistible to poke her arms and legs into everything her neighbors are doing, and it takes a whip and chair (or peony support and bungee cords) to keep her in her own extensive horizontal space, more or less. I can't imagine her standing upright without supports, so she's 3' high and 12'+ wide draped over all creation. Let's see - what other HMs and OGRs do I have in those beds? The other monster next to GdA is Heavenly Pink and it's a similar hardy repeat blooming survivor that's huge and low maintenance. Wilhelm I already mentioned, and the sport Will Scarlet looks to be equally good though still young. Other surviving HMs (in addition to some that died mentioned above) include: Cornelia and Felicia, but they're a pale imitation of what they can do in warmer zones and they just put out a few flowers here and there. Nur Mahal is around the corner in mostly shade but it's upright and trouble free and blooms off and on all season. Robin Hood (if that's his ID - came as a mystery RV rose) is another HUGE freestanding shrub in even more shaded conditions at the neighbors' but he only blooms much once for me. Here's Nur Mahal - the flowers are larger and a little more crimson than Wilhelm, but the bush isn't as tall: This is only a fraction of the size Robin Hood is now in mostly shade - he's now the size of a mid-size car (not a compact) if given the space to claim: I've tried multiple polys in this spot and Ave Maria is the only one that liked the dry conditions and part shade and cold winters. Eutin (poly) and Enfant de France (HP) do fine but don't bloom a ton around the east side corner in mostly shade. Several HPs seem to have settled in nicely and bloom mostly in spring - Comtesse d'Oxford, Duchesse d'Orleans, Francois Arago, Madame de Stael, Paul Verdier, Rembrandt, all have been reasonably hardy for a couple of years. Sydonie is the best of the bunch and so far the only one that repeats much to speak of once or twice. Other Portland, Bourbon or moss that do OK here include: Indigo, Mme Dore, Mme Platz, Marbree, Paul Ricault, Mme Dubost, and Soupert et Notting. Stanwell Perpetual is still trying to establish itself. The two biggest so far are Marbree and Paul Ricault, but again I don't get any repeat and many of the others are pruned to the ground. The Bishop climbs well and is coming into the fourth year where I should get some nice spring bloom though no repeat. For climbers, Applejack is a great bet, as is Frau Eva Schubert and Awakening - the latter is really coming into its own and will probably be my best climber on that shaded fence. Laguna is also good though it would prefer more sun, and Mme Bovary, Louise Odier, and Larry Daniels (sport of Grandmother's Hat) put out blooms off and on in the season. For YEARS Ghislaine de Feligonde didn't do much of anything but it finally had a reasonable flush this year. No repeat yet though. Here's a picture of those in a good year with even GdF showing itself for a change in the small white flowers right of center (the fence doesn't usually look this good): Shrubs also take this location well. Bonica is pretty happy, as is Caldwell Pink. Smiling Jean isn't available that I'm aware of but it is pretty constantly blooming bright coral all season. Lady Elsie May does the same and is more readily available. Here are photos of these, first Smiling Jean, then LEM: LEM A lot of the Austins or Kordes shrubs can take part sun, and I have in these spots or the East side zone 4 pocket: Heritage, Earth Angel, Teasing Georgia, Queen of Sweden, Hannah Gordon, Elmshorn, Soul Sister, La Perla, Lone Star, The Shepherdess, Red Riding Hood, Carding Mill, Lady of Shalott, Polar Express, Bliss Parfuma, and several of the Vigorosa Kordes roses. I'd happily recommend any of the Morden series, OSO Easy, Drift or Easy Elegance roses that are the bulk of the color punch in the north or east side beds that are cold and part sun at best. The Canadians also do well in part sun and you know I'm particularly excited about Felix LeClerc who's at the far right end of this bed. Canadian Shield is also impressing the socks off me in the east bed with a ton of true red flowers (not crimson), as is Cape Diamond with pretty much nonstop pink ones. A lot of the Bucks also seem happy enough in these circumstances, including Applejack that you mentioned as well as Folksinger, Freckles, Malaguena, Pearlie Mae, Prairie Sunrise, Prairie Harvest, and Rosenstadt Zweibrucken. A fervent honorable mention goes to Elizabeth of Goshen if you can find it, since it's a surprisingly hardy and robust reblooming LAVENDER shrub that can take shade (only Poseidon and Lavender Veranda are in its class for hardy lavender rebloomers).Hope this helps visualize this. No rose is probably as happy in shade as in full sun unless you have a really hot zone, but these do surprisingly well all things considered. Cynthia

Katyajini so sorry to see your Darlow’s. I am also extremely surprised because it really is the toughest rose here also. I had a terrible amount of aphids early spring that looked just like that in many of my roses and the did not bother Darlow’s enigma. I also did what rifis just recommended, a good strong wash several days in a row. I then saw lady bug larvae (they look like little black and orange monsters) in the area and backed off from spraying (a week later they were all gone). So check for lady bugs and their larvae, if they are around it will get better soon. I also have tried the diluted milk Vapor suggested and it has worked great for mildew. Soapy water also helps, but be careful of the temps.