To transplant or not to transplant Jeri Jennings

16 years ago

Jeri Jennings, the hybrid musk, of course--not the rosarian.

With hot summer approaching, I'm not sure what to do with my Jeri Jennings. I ordered two--one went directly into the ground a month or so ago and hasn't done much, but looks healthy. The other one went into a pot since I didn't have a bed dug for it yet. The one in the pot has put on new growth and had one bloom--so cute and lovely, golden yellow with an peachy/apricotish blush.

Well, the new bed is dug, and now I'm not sure if I should plant the potted one now or wait til fall. Our temps for the next 10 days will be in the mid-80s, maybe even high 80s at times, and July is just around the corner. In most years, July and August are hot, hot, hot here--many days in the 100s. But this year has not been typical, weatherwise, so I have no idea what to expect.

So what to do? Plant JJ in the new bed and give her lots of TLC, or re-pot into a larger pot and wait til fall? I've never planted in the fall so I have no idea of the pros or cons about fall-planting in my Zone 6 (Kansas).

Appreciate any advice.

Kate

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michaelg
16 years ago
If you plant now and water appropriately, the worst that happens is a few sunburnt leaves while the roots are settling in. I've planted lots of roses from pots with temps in the 80s-- bet Kate has too.
happyintexas
16 years ago
My plants tend to stress more in containers. I would plant it in the ground, water deeply, and give it a good mulch blanket. Keep an eye on it as if it were still in a pot (plenty of water, etc.) until next spring.
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Ingrid, funny you should ask. Last month I moved two. I don't remember that part of the book. Good thing, I guess. I had a 3-yr-old 5x5 Duchesse de Brabant going to a rose friend here. The trunk was easily 3". I cut her back to about half her cane length. My instructions had been to cut back to the length of the roots that were left, but I hated to do that. I dug about 2' out from the base, but she wouldn't move. I cut a circle around with a handsaw about 15" long. She wouldn't move. I called DH. Mind you, I am trying very hard to preserve the soilball which, of course, I'm sure won't exist (sand, you know) and also to keep the roots as long as possible. DH and I are pulling. Then I cut straight under her as deep as I could reach. We pull again and pull and finally she snaps. I'm pretty sure (it was dusk) that she had 2 or 3 thick roots almost 3' long that went straight down. No fine feeder roots came with her. I had a 20-gallon pot waiting with water in it, and we dropped her right in. She took a little organic matter with her that dirtied up the water, but she was basically bareroot. I wheeled her around to the front, and she waited all night for her new mistress who picked her up (pick-ups are so handy) and took her home. She was replanted the next day I believe with a handful of leaves and a bud left from her former self, and I'm told that she never lost them and has leafed out fine. I also moved Arcadia Louisiana Tea from her shady spot. I didn't get as much rootball, and she was smaller and spindly. Now she is quite leafy and has a few buds. I guess that was right at November 1st. I've been watering daily since then. These are truly amazing plants - a miracle of creation, I'd say. I was really amazed at the thickness of DdB's roots. Not as thick as the base but as thick as my fingers and who knows how deep they went. As to recovery, it looks to me like ALT has already recovered. I don't know Australia's soil conditions, etc. I put composted cow manure, 4 cups each of alfalfa pellets and milorganite and a sprinkle of mycorrhizae in the hole and flooded it really well, making sure there were no air pockets. This was really easier that planting a potted rose especially the 2-gallon ones which invariably fall apart on me anyway. These are about the easiest plants I can think of. I just plain love 'em. Dig away, Ingrid, but do it lovingly and tenderly. Sherry
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berndoodle
16 years ago
How little? Can you give a size in inches or feet and number of canes? The immediate temps don't worry me if you keep watering it. But if it's a little sprite, it might be a trade off. Summer is rough on pots.
dublinbay z6 (KS)
Original Author
16 years ago
I just went out and checked the little feller--2 canes. One is a skinny 2 ft. tall cane, other is maybe 6 in.

I've never been into potted roses--would feel much better planting it in the bed. On the other hand, I've never had small things like my JJ were when they arrived. I really would prefer to avoid growing it in the pot for the summer. The one in the pot has grown much more than the one in the ground, but the one in the ground looks healthier.

Hope that helps. Appreciate any more advice.

Kate
williamcartwright
16 years ago
Kate,

I recently asked "the experts" virtually the same question on another forum. Majority opinion was in favor of keeping the bands potted up and waiting till fall. In part this was due to the vulerability of small plants to clumsy feet, animal damage, but many also felt potted plants get off to a better start.

I will say that a few "hot weather" rose growers were of the opinion geting the plants in the ground was preferable to pots in the scorching heat.

Where I live the summers are quite hot (90's-100s). Last year I planted my bands directly, and we had one of the most brutal summers on record. My roses did fine.

This year, however, I've decided to hold off utill the fall, and have the pot ghetto in a nice sheltered shady location (including my own "Jeri Jennings"). I'm not sure this is an "answer" to your dilemma , but shows, I suppose, that there are different school's of thought on this issue. Both with valid points.

As far as advice, I'd just second "Happyintexas's" advice to deeply mulch and deeply water, should you decide to plant. Mulching will protect developing roots, mitigate the sweltering heat and help retain moisture.

Also (and forgive the "obviousness" of this advice as I'm sure you know this) make sure you transplant at an hour when the roots won't be exposed to strong sunlight. Personally I'd have a hole prepared, and plant in the last rays of twilight, and then water in. Roots can get fried pretty fast in strong sun.

I've also heard of people putting up some sort of screen to protect young roses from overly strong sun (but have not done so myself).

Good luck with your decision,

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olga_6b
16 years ago
This rose is growing very fast in my garden.I planted it into the ground in April. It is more then 2x2 feet now. Already gave me 2 flishes of blooms. Blooms last a long time on a bush. The color is very beautiful and fragrance is good. Plant it in your new bed, it is not a weak rose, it will love it.
Olga
roseleaf
16 years ago
I agree. I planted the band in the drought and in 90 F days. Jeri Jennings is a tough rose. But of course I water regularly. SheÂs growing leap and bound.
berndoodle
16 years ago
That's big enough to plant. Think of a pot as diapers. Move on.
dublinbay z6 (KS)
Original Author
16 years ago
OK--that's what I'm going to do. Plant it tomorrow at twilight. So glad you all agree cuz I really wasn't looking forward to fussing over a potted rose all summer.

Our season is way behind schedule. After that big Easter freeze, we had nearly a month of rain and drizzle and overcast skies--no real sunshine til the past week or so. Hopefully, JJ will take off in this better weather in her new bed.

Thanks, everyone.

Kate
jerijen
16 years ago
CASS! Never you mind about my diapers!

Jeri Jennings
wild_rose_of_texas
16 years ago
Snickers!
Shame on you, Jeri!

heehee!
Allison
dublinbay z6 (KS)
Original Author
16 years ago
You heard what berndoodle said, Jeri. In less than 24 hours, the diapers gotta go! You're a big girl now!

: )

Kate

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