winter-damaged, cankered tree rose will bloom!

14 years ago

Everyone, my poor little tree rose has endured so much! it is a true survivor bless its little heart... It has endured terrible winter damage, being dug out of the frozen ground, several canker botrytis infections, and another horrible transplant (the tree was so heavy, and the soil so dense that it tore out several clumps of very precious feeder roots). I immediately fed it my "magic potion/remedy" with the Garden-ville Sea Tea at 1/8 diluted strength. I felt like bawling my eyes out after my horrific transplant attempt, and had 2 separate nightmares that same night about a single stem being left with no leaves, and another in which all the leaves had shriveled away... But when I woke up the day after my transplant I found 4 brand new tiny blossom buds and another 5th one just starting out. That tree rose will occasionally look tired/ more droopy, but as soon as I give it the sea tea, it immediately perks up.... and I always keep the soil moist to rehydrate the injured roots... Not only that the buds have now doubled in size within 3 days' time... Those buds are super healthy, beautiful color, the fat knobs at the bottom of each bud. I am thinking that for the rest of the plant to bounce back to its original upright leaves, it will take about 2 and 1/2 more weeks... Horrendous Newbie as I am! I just know this tree rose is a real winner! and that after one month and 2 weeks, it will outgrow my best Lincoln (which now has 2 gigantic! grapefruit sized blooms on it.) Anyway, here is the tree rose before the transplant, and here is the tree after the transplant. As you can tell it has suffered, but it is making a steady recovery and the size of its new pot is so much more appropriate than the original pot. I bought this beautiful! pot at Walmart for only $20!!! I am so happy all the pots I was originally interested in are like $300, I'm thinking no way! Thank goodness Walmart carried this Home&Gardens pot and best of all!!! made in the USA!

P.S. also wanted to thank Karl and Evie for still trying their best to help me throughout...on a scale of 1-100 ranking I hit minus 10... But still, they don't give up on me... Thank you, thank you Karl and Evie!

here is also my lovely young Lincolns when they just started to blossom.. will post the final largest size blooms tomorrow...

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mandyy12
14 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
HI . I am happy to see things are looking up for your tree rose. Mr L looks great.
You have peeked my curiosity,as an avid rose grower can you tell me more aboutmy ("magic potion/remedy" with the Garden-ville Sea Tea at 1/8 diluted strength )??

Thanks

Bill
serenasyh
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14 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
Hi, Bill...At my local nursery I found this absolutely amazing sea tea product called Garden-Ville Sea Tea (fish emulsion, humate, compost tea, molasses, seaweed extract). For sick ailing roses I will water it down (instead of 1 TBS. per quart, I use 1TBS. per 2 gallons + 2 extra qts. of water for severe injury or for very young tender plants...). For healthy young roses that I received from Roses Unlimited, I use 1 TBS. per 2 gallon for the first week-and-a-half. I have tried the control test of using B1 vitamin nourisher versus the sea tea with transplanted baby lavender being my test subject. One goup I used B1 for transplant, the other I used the very diluted sea tea. The B1 showed no effect (no change) but both roses and the baby lavender love the super-dilute sea tea... I saw frail leaves double in size within a day. Sea tea will jump start a sick rose, unless of course you receive a rose cutting band in which a band is uprooted too young, yellow from dehydration with 1/3 shriveled leaves. (which I experienced with one of the baby bands I received from Heirloom Roses-still clinging to life but would have died two weeks ago under normal circumstances ). For my tree rose, I can’t stress how horrible my second transplant was. I lost over half of the feeder roots from falling wet soil that was still stuck to the pot, and I even lost a few sections of anchor roots… but now it is full and lush with only one upper stem that has a slight droop on its leaves… Everything else is fully upright and buds again! still increasing in size. For my tree rose I keep the soil moist always, that way the injured roots don’t have to work so hard to bring moisture back up to the grafts. Also, Sea tea I found to be terrific for jumpstarting a bareroot rose to start leafing-- but again there has to be multiple buds and they have to be a certain size before I start my application. For both ailing larger roses and healthy big new roses, I also feed more often-once every 4 days with that super dilute mixture For my baby bands I only water once a week with the super dilute sea tea, the rest of the week it’s just plain water to keep the soil spongy-moist.
Once my roses have been firmly established (careful day-to-day observations of growth rate, size, and age of the plant) I return to the full dose incrementally (this can start up anywhere from a week-and-a-half to over 2 months for a baby band). My other surviving baby band is flourishing but it is too tiny to withstand more than that 1/10 mixture once a week. My tree rose is actually ready for the gradual increased dose as of Thursday when it gets its scheduled feed. I increase the dose, wait, observe, increase if I see plenty of new growth. Note: I stay away from any other fertilizers until my plants are firmly established for at least a month of stability following the advice of Karl .
P.S. I credit Karl for the wonderful organic fungicide GreenCure for helping keep the cankers at bay for my tree rose…
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