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Marie Pavie and Marie van Houtte

12 years ago

I'm tempted to try either or both Marie P and Marie v H in the desert s.w. Does anyone have experience with either in my hot climate? TIA, Linda

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sammy zone 7 Tulsa
12 years ago
They are totally different, but I think you know that. I love Marie V. Houtte. She is tall and has beautiful colors. We used to have 4 or 5 Marie Pavies in front of our patio. Deadheading was a nightmare, and as I remember, they did not perform well without the deadheading. I finally pulled them out.

We live in Tulsa, but I don't think the heat has bothered either one.

Sammy
hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
12 years ago
I wonder if MP does not handle humid heat better than dry heat. The dainty little flowers here crisp quickly--and I'm in coastal-ish CA with nothing like the heat of AZ.
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greybird
12 years ago
We are not as continuously hot as Phoenix, but type of baking, arid heat is similar, with lots of wind thrown in. MP hated it here. Pretty show in the spring and suffered greatly when the brutal heat hits. Crispy critter blooms and chlorotic foliage in borderline alkaline soil. It now resides in the pot ghetto, looks better than in the ground.

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jaspermplants
12 years ago
Linda, I am in the Phoenix area and I grow both roses. Marie Pavie does well; blooms continuously during our cool months. I would recommend it.

I planted Marie van Houtte this winter and it is doing well. Unfortunately I planted it in a too shady spot so will probably not do as well as I'd like. I think it is a very good rose; wish I had a better spot for it (out of room!)

Teas do very well here; I grow many of them.

Good luck with your roses!

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