16 HP B&S Vanguard dies suddenly after 30 minutes or so
cornfieldcraig
12 years ago
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Did I seize my 9HP Briggs Vanguard Engine?
Comments (27)Man oh man you guys are gonna kick my bu** when you hear this. Okay, so I drain the gas out of the BCS walk behind tractor and bring it into the garage to dismount the engine. My buddy and I unbolt the engine and it comes off with the dry clutch attached. We notice that there is a lot of grey aluminum shavings inside the case...hmmm. We look closer and staring back at us, hanging out of the clutch is this 2" long set screw that has come loose, backed its way out and is grinding against the inside of the case. This caused the screeching, the stalling and the grinding feeling when turning it over. How putting MMO in the cylinder freed up this *seize* is a mystery to me but at the time it sure seemed like it did. I was happy to find this cause it meant that the engine is still good. The next day we got hit with a snow storm so I rushed to put it back together. The set screw got a few drops of LocTite blue just to be sure it dont come out again. Actually I was a little over zealous and broke the allen head on that set screw when I tightened it...hope I dont have to take it out. I also managed to cross thread one of the 4 mounting points on the engine pto side, forgot how delicate the cast aluminum threads are...mixed up some 15 min epoxy and put the bolt back in. By the time I got her all back together there was 5" of powder snow on the driveway. I put gas in the tank and she fired right up - not having the drag of the set screw cutting a rabbet into the aluminum case sure helps things a lot ;-) . It works fine. Thanks to all of you for all your help and suggestions expecially *mownie* who said back in the beginning "....Check the components that deliver the engine power to the wheels and make sure something there is not seized or locked up before you devote all your time to the engine per se." Maybe I got lucky with the set screw backing out and causing all this. It sure prevented the engine from seizing up due to gas diluted oil and now I know how exactly gas in the oil can ruin an engine. In addition, I know how to go about rebuilding it and have looked through the B&S rebuilding steps on their web site. This isnt the same as the experience of actually doing it but its something. Thanks again, Tim...See MoreValve Clearance for 16.5Hp B&S
Comments (14)OK, you guys were right. I did have two seperate problems. When I went to cut my grass on Thursday, the motor was "hard starting" again. During the initial crank it did stop turning, which I suspect was that "stop on compression" you guys mentioned. It eventually started and I cut my grass and confirmed that my previous gas tank venting problem has been resolved. Later, I checked my valve gaps and they were not too far out but I am not sure what constitutes far out. First, I did Walt's test and confirmed that the intake valve seems to do a small movement after it closes that I believe is the compression release. I checked this before and after I adjusted the valves. When I first checked my intake valve clearance, at first I couldn't seem to even push a 0.005" feeler through the gap. Then when I played with the rocker arm it went though no problem. An 0.008" was very snug. So I took that as out of spec. for the 0.003"-0.005" it should be. Now, even with me playing with the rocker arm a 0.004" will go through but the 0.005" will not. On the exhaust side, when playing with the rocker arm, a 0.006" will snuggly go through but an 0.008" will not (I don't have a 0.007"). So I took that as OK for the 0.005" to 0.007" spec. and never changed it. When I was done the motor started up very well but I had that happen last week when the motor only sat one day, so next week I will be able to test for sure. It seemed to be more hardstarting when it sat for more then 5 days. Since I like to understand these things, I have a few questions that maybe someone could help me with: 1) Since the intake valve seems to control the compression release, how important is the exhaust valve clearance? 2) Does this compression release keep happening when the motor is running or just during start up? Seems that you would like it during start up and hate it during running. 3) If the valve gaps were to wide why would my motor seem to only have hard starting issues during initial start up but when warm it seem to start up just fine? Thanks for your help....See More16 hp B/S Vanguard motor HELP!!
Comments (9)Try rigging up a gravity fuel tank to your engine, and isolate the stock tank. This might solve the worry about the fuel tank. Also, make sure the breather hole in the fuel tank cap is open--mud wasps love to drop an egg in the leetle hole, and daub it shut with some "poo" until it hatches! Ever see "mud" in little holes in anything that sits outside, uncovered? Thats mud wasp work! Check the spark plug for carbon build-up. It could be the coil/ ignition system, too. I had a lawn tractor here that would run great! I would let it run for a long time, or mow my yards with it, and then it would just shut down, and not start again until it cooled down! Sound familiar? And, a replaced coil fixed it!...See MoreC/C 16HP B/S Vanguard motor problems
Comments (5)Inspect the gas cap carefully. Some OEMs don't put a vent "hole" in the top of the cap. Some caps have the venting passages in the threaded area on the underside of cap. I have not ever seen a gasoline powered LT or GT that had an independant "vent hose" or "vent plug" (but I have not come in contact with every machine ever made either). The vent provision is usually incorporated into the cap because it is simple and does what it does reliably (until it clogs). In regard to your concern about the amount of fuel visible in the transparent fuel filter. The "empty" head space above the liquid gasoline IS NOT atmospheric air! It is a "head" of vapor that results from some of the volatiles in the gasoline evaporating. As these "fumes" or vapors are evaporating from the liquid they rise. Not being able to escape (because the filter and fuel hoses "retain" them), they instead form a "pressure head" which exerts enough force to displace a portion of the fuel back into the tank. Having said all that, you can't use the presence of "empty space" in the filter as evidence of fuel starvation. ALL gasoline filters will have some "empty space", even the opaque metal kind, it is a trait of the gasoline at average ambient temps. Your problem certainly sounds like a clogged fuel tank vent. Or you could have some "loose solids" in the tank that are moving around with the fuel to be caught against the tank outlet hole. Another possibility is engine overheating (due to debris or "mice nests" in the cooling fan shrouds. Try deerslayer's recommendation about running with the cap off (or just very loose). If you run it til it acts up and then loosen the cap, the engine should straighten up and act right if it was being denied a vent....See Morerustyj14
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