Trees to line an asphalt / easement driveway
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Comments (15)folkvictorian - The companies obviously want to limit their costs. It's possible that there are other locations where they can tap into the line but perhaps you land is the easiest. Or they may have already been turned down by other homeowners and you're next on the contact list. Lizbeth's post reminded me that the Gas company that wanted to run the new line on our property was doing it as part of a project to replace and enlarge the old lines. They wanted our property because it would have been easier and cheaper for them to run a new line and then cap off the old one rather then replace the existing line they already had. She is right when she says they promise everything and downplay any negatives. Four years ago the Susquehanna Power Company wanted to run high power lines on 200' towers through our property. These lines would carry electricity from the nuclear power plant in Berwick, PA to New Jersey and New York. No one in our town even gets electricity from this company. They held a series of public meetings that were well planned out. When we entered the meeting room they had executives placed at tables all around the room to 'answer' our questions. They never spoke to the attendees as a group but kept all discourse to one to two people in a conversational tone. Rather smart on their part. That way no one in the audience could stand up and raise objections and galvanize the group. It took several months and many phone calls to find out that the towers would be 400' from my home and that I would be able to hear the constant 'hum' emitted from the lines. The towers would have run almost through the middle of my 135 acres. And it's not over yet - while the power company and the state PUC have selected an alternative route which uses the existing utility right of way, the National Park Service is objecting - they don't want the power company to cross the Delaware River on park land even though the power lines are already there, they're just on shorter towers. What's ironic is that the park only exists because the Federal government wanted to build the Tocks Island Dam on the Delaware River in the 1950's. After acquiring thousands of acres and eradicating the town of Dingman's Ferry the whole thing was canceled and the Delaware Water Gap National park was created. My examples are probably way more involved than what you're experiencing. I guess I relate them because it might help to know what can happen to the average landowner....See MoreSuggestions for tree in driveway circle. . . in SoCal
Comments (41)Zelkova is very closely related to Elm (in fact it's technically in the same species). Zelkova is basically the Japanese version of Elm trees. (don't worry, Zelkova is not vulnerable to Elm disease, or at least it's highly resistant) Suzi: Those palms that you see popping up everywhere in Southern California are called Mexican Fan palm. It is actually considered an invasive species because its seeds are carried by the birds and often start popping up new palms in other people's yards, or along the side of creek beds. Besides the seeds often having a way of sprouting up in strange places, the actual palm tree itself does not behave "invasively" (not like ficus). In fact the shape of its fronds are fairly interesting, it is very drought tolerant, and some people in SoCal choose to plant one as an ornamental....See MoreLiquid Amber Tree Roots Invading Driveway
Comments (36)Well, I will say that due diligence does call for as Embo states, filling in information not explicitly asked for. To not do so is a type of negligence. That said, OP does not own the tree, even manages to appreciate the tree (right?) despite potential problems, and quite clearly does not want to harm it...why not do a moderate root cutting and install a bio-barrier type of product? Those work, right? I haven't really used. I pretty much doubt a 12" bonding of concrete would stop stuff for long enough to justify cost. They'll go that low easily, I think....See MorePublic Utility Easement Encroachment
Comments (26)I bet the markings are wrong if they run through the new tree, which would have been planted long after the utilities went in. I sure hope you're right. :-) What is in the contract with the 'track' builder? IMO......I would 'never' use a track builder, they make 'everything' in their favor to make the most profit. The builder didn't install the utility lines. ;-) My use of a tract builder had everything to do with being submissive to my husband; I am making the best of my situation. We have the ultimate goal of custom building, but we're using the tract house as a transition home between a 1350 sqft rental (keep in mind we have 6 kids, lol) and the custom house. :-) Other trees can be container grown to get around restrictions. [...] An irrigation system may help. Yeah... I'm already doing some cool container stuff, just didn't want any of them in the middle of the yard. I may have to reconsider. We do have an irrigation system, which is a huge help, for sure. You can absolutely plant on top of utility lines. None are so fragile that a plant will get them. In the rental, we had a rosebush go through plumbing lines... Different animal entirely? But some clarity is in order here - you are talking main lines that are not going to your house - correct? Yes. They traverse the property, go under the driveway, continue on the other side, and *then* go up the side yard. My side yard is a mess of flags, too, which I expected. In my mind, when a utility has a problem with a line - maybe not in your lifetime - and they missed the easement during install, when they come to fix it, you will not let them on your property. You will force them to pay for access and repair everything to as before plus compensation for your misery. This is what my husband said the other day. He was all like, "If they have a problem with their lines, and they want to work outside the easement, we simply say, 'No. Your lines are outside the easement, figure it out without touching anything else. Your problem.' " In other words, just plant all you want and don't worry about it. Yeah, you're probably right. :-) As far as depth, they should vary - electricity is not gas is not cable. I also fail to see what recourse they have if you break anything if they missed the easement. This is what I couldn't find... Everything on 811's website warns about damaging lines, but they seem to assume the lines are legally located. Maybe I'll go ahead and plant stuff, and just pray I don't damage anything *and* that nothing goes wrong later and someone (without permission) kills my magnolias to fix a stupid out-of-easement gas line. Sigh. All because these darn lots are all so small!!! :-D (And we have one of the bigger ones!) Plant where you want (and don't run too afoul of the HOA rules) and I think you'll be fine. Possible you'll hit a cable or phone line if you plan anything of decent size - they are notorious for shallow buries - but that's what they get paid for and since they may be off the easement anyway, I wouldn't feel badly. Okay. I'm starting to feel better about this. :-) I just kept thinking, "If my rosebushes require a 2x2x2 hole, how the heck am I gonna get a magnolia in here????" And, "If roses can go through plumbing pipes [Mr. Lincoln sure loved the sewage], what is a tree gonna do to a gas line???" lol Also the locating people are "not that accurate" (nicest way to put it.) I sure hope this is the case. I'm kinda ashamed I didn't immediately think of this. Perhaps I give too much benefit of the doubt. :-/ And avoid placing something unique or valuable in the easement area that could be removed or destroyed should the utility decide to do any work. IME, they will not pay for replacement plants!! That's the whole point of the easement....that they have free access! Yes, absolutely! That's why I was so upset with this whole mess, lol. There are no markings/flags in the actual easement (which I am leaving 100% bermuda grass), but a zillion things going on 3'-6' beyond the easement toward my front door. I figured they wouldn't pay for plants they damaged, even though my plants would be legal but their lines aren't. I'm all too well aware that if the city wants to, they could take out everything planted there [...] I'm thinking I need to live within city limits, lol. Too much craziness outside of it. Finding a 1+ acre parcel in town is gonna be tough. Dang. If the HOA complains you can show them where the utilities marked out, and if the utilities complain you can show them your original easement that you have in writing. Play both ends against the middle. This is an excellent contingency plan. Thank you! I think chances are approximately zero whatever is there will be moved, even if it's technically outside of where someone else thought it should be. Sigh. Not good news. Oh, well. At least my expectations can be properly calibrated now. Thanks so much to everyone who took the time to respond to my thread. <3...See Morevancleaveterry
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