There is a discussion of Saccharum arundinaceum in GW http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/grasses/msg0822180923546.html?10 This outfit sells it. http://www.plantdelights.com/Saccharum-arundinaceum-Perennial-Hardy-Sugar-Cane/productinfo/1735/ Here is a link that might be useful: cold hardy sugar cane

let me clarify, the slope is probably 30 degrees, steeper in some places.

Campanula, Close to a north facing wall that gets sun from perhaps noon for a few hours in the afternoon, 'Ghislaine de Feligonde' does pretty well, blooming most of the summer with nice foliage. I grow it as a mounding shrub. On the eastern cliff edge of my back surrounded by forest with maybe 20 feet clearance, I grow hybrid musks pretty well, Cornelia, Pax who is new so iffy as a rec, and Buff Beauty. Those might please you. There also there is Reine de Violette; a noisette which will probably die, Lingo Musk; and you might like this one, Till Uhlenspiegel, a hybrid sweetbrier. TU is really healthy there. I also have Gilda, a hybrid multiflora, along that edge, and seems to be fine there. I like that rose, but don't know if it's a style you like. I remember Mad Gallica remarking that the setigeras are her most shade tolerant rose; i think she's in upstate NY. Sally Holmes might do okay there. If you are at all interested in mosses, Henri Martin or William Lobb might be okay. My HM gets only a couple of hours of afternoon sun, if that. My Pomponella is a sun lover here too. She gets shaded by some aggressive lah-de-dah dahlias in the summer and definitely resents them. I've found the hybrid multiflora/multiflora types seem to do well in less than ideal sun spots. Purple Skyliner is in the edge of a forested area and is doing okay. Do you like Lyda Rose? Would you want to try some rugosas? I think Wasagaming is shade tolerant; or at least mine puts up with shade. Both Therese Bugnet and Polareis/Ritausma seem to need sun, though. And then the albas - semi -plena might be fine in either place and a bloom form you might like. Do you dislike Madame Hardy? I'd also try hugonis or some of the other early yellows, just to see. My hugonis is a baby but too in a woody spot and it's doing okay. I read that Spanish Beauty/Madame Gregoire Staechelin is shade tolerant, somewhere. I think I also read it is not shade tolerant, so much for books, doncha know. But I'd be tempted to try it just to see; I've read you love that rose. Would it grow as a mounding shrub, do you think? I don't know about Duplex - I have mine in sun at the edge of the apple terrace. Honestly, if it were me, Campanula, I'd dig up or take cuttings of everything I loved and plant it just to see how it did. Otherwise, I'd spend the rest of my days wondering if it might not have worked after all. Courage, you will make it beautiful! Gean This post was edited by harborrose on Tue, Oct 8, 13 at 20:30

Oo, Thank you! The seeds you sent (now bulbs!) are still going, despite the major caterpillar invasion that went on these past few weeks. I'm expecting this cold front to slow them down, or stop them. Some of the bulbs are still focusing on themselves and some already sent out daughter bulbs. A handful up and disappeared on me for some unknown reason. Out of everything you sent me, Charisma is really, really vigorous. I am betting money that the very first bloom to surface is going to be from Charisma. I'm going to try to keep them 'evergreen' by moving them into the greenhouse and try to keep their leaves through the winter like I did last year when they were still small seedlings. I just want a bloom to come as soon as possible!