Bare Root Rose Acting Strange
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Question About Shortening Canes of Bare Root Roses
Comments (8)It's been a very long time since I've read a "body bag" on a rose, but they used to have "mounding" instructions printed directly on them. In "the good, old days" nurseries used to give cardboard "rose sleeves" away with the bare roots to place around them when planted, for you to fill with dirt as the instructions above state. You watered directly into the top of the cone or sleeve to keep that soil and that under the rose damp. Maintaining the whole plant in a cool, damp, dark state encourages it to absorb water, prevents it from drying out until it forms sufficient new roots to take up enough water to grow, encourages it to form those roots instead of being stimulated to develop leaves and new canes. As many of us have seen from bare roots as well as cuttings, too much light and heat stimulates them to develop foliage, try to grow new canes and even flower using the resources stored in the wood before any roots are formed. I've had both push flowers and leaves then totally collapse because there was no root system under the plant to support it. It's the same issue seen with wrapping cuttings. If it's too warm, they won't root, but will try to push new growth from the growth buds, resulting in failure. As new growth develops, you slowly remove the soil in the sleeve to expose increasingly greater amounts of the plant until it is gradually hardened off, used to the normal garden conditions. This can be wonderfully accomplished during a longer period of rainy weather, just as transplanting and setting out newly rooted plants can be. The cooler, more over cast, more humid conditions are perfect for all of these projects. Trevor Griffiths wrote in one of his great books, a customer brought him a dried out, "dead" bare root he'd purchased from him demanding a refund. Mr. Griffiths buried the plant in damp soil, then planted it in a bag of soil where it flourished, grew and flowered as expected. He wrote that was the plant he frequently took to lectures and presentations to rose groups to illustrate how difficult it is to kill a rose as long as you know what you're doing. I purchased heavy gauge plastic rose sleeves from Gurney Seed back in the early to mid 80s which I used for over fifteen years before they finally wore out. I then began making them from cardboard boxes, even many sheets of newspaper, both of which worked perfectly. Taking fifteen or more full sheets of newspaper laid out flat, then folding them in half length wise to make a thick layer, I could take them to the can I'd planted, insert them into the rim of the can and determine how large it needed to be to prevent the water and soil from washing from underneath them and hold the soil in place. I'd then staple them closed to form the sleeve. I planted the rose in the can, but didn't finish filling it to leave a large area of the interior can sides to securely hold the sleeves in place. Once inserted over the plant, I finished filling the sleeves with soil, watering them to settle it in until the sleeve was mostly filled, leaving enough room to water them well without spilling over the sides. Many sheets of newspaper in a thick layer, rolled in a cylinder like that and supported by several inches of the can sides will hold water and soil in place well until new growth is seen. I only left the top few inches of the canes protruding from the soil so the majority of the plant was kept buried in the damp potting soil. As new growth pushed, I removed an inch or two of soil a week until there was enough taken out to permit the sleeve to be removed and the remaining soil to stay in the pot, filling it to the planting depth I wanted in the first place. By then, the cardboard or paper was pretty much ready for removal and could then be disposed of either in recycling or the compost pile. You can save many dried out bare roots simply by "heeling them in", burying them in damp soil, for a few weeks to plump them back up. This shouldn't be done in heavy, dense clay as you do need air circulation around the plant to prevent it from rotting or developing canker. A trench dug deep enough to bury the entire plants, leaving a few inches of soil to cover them fully, should be sufficient. The soil should be of a type you would want for planting, which drains well, yet is moisture retentive. Any good potting soil would be perfect. If you lay lengths of rope perpendicularly across the trenches at the top, middle and bottoms of where the plants are to be buried, then lay the plants down across the ropes, keeping them under the plants, you can tie the ends loosely and fill the trench, leaving the ends out of the rope out of the ground so you know exactly where the plants are. The protruding ends of the ropes help keep the plants together in a bundle, assisting you in finding and removing them. A couple of weeks in that cool, damp, dark environment will frequently rehydrate up to pretty severely dehydrated bare roots. I wouldn't suggest it as the usual procedure, but for extreme cases, it can work wonders. The trenching and ropes have been used for many years to overwinter tender types in harsher climates as well as to hold early arrivals which have been received before it was safe to plant them. Now, suddenly, to many of us, it's new information. There really is nothing new under the sun, except the plumbing Kim...See MoreBare root rose, will it live? (picture included)
Comments (8)Thank you all very very much! I'm glad to hear that I didn't waste my money on complete dud of a plant, even if it doesn't make it, but I'll be sure to give it a fair shot! I picked Iceberg to be my first rose bush, I love white roses! I think I'm mostly drawn to floribunda roses in any color. I'd like to add livin' easy rose(s) next year. I hope to order at least one rose bush from a mail order service next winter if I can't find any nurseries locally that carry it. I had this rose in the bucket over night last night (in the shade) on the porch. It's raining pretty hard today, and going down to 30 degrees tonight, but it's close to the house, I don't think it'll freeze solid (should I cover it or bring it inside?). I think tomorrow it's still going to be chilly here (only in the mid 40's and possible showers). Starting on wednesday it's supposed to get up to the 50's and cloudy and lows in the mid 30's at night. do you think it'll be safe to plant it on wednesday?...See MorePlanting bare root in the fall
Comments (40)I have thought carefully about which zone USDA zone best compared to my area. Especially during the last 2 very mild winters! But most winters we reach temps of -10F. And every 3-4 years we have some periods were temps are between -15F and -25F. True most of the time the winter temps are between 30F and 15F and some very mild periods of weeks of temps between 35F and 55F. So I do not understand how they came up with the USDA maps to compare the climate here? It says the USDA zones are just guidelines. And I tell you the weeks we have temps below -10 F or the winters where the temps drop below -20F the Roses do not like it. And roses don´t care about avarage temps ...they are not annuals. A rosebush can grow fine 2 years with mild winters and really freeze back during the harsh winters. So I have to choose roses that will survive zone 5a winters and winterprotect the fragile chinas and teas I grow. I tell you even a few days of temps below -10F and the roses are goners...then it does matter that a mild period comes for some weeks before it gets cold again. So average does mot mean much .... Also I have seen the size of floribunda and Hybrid Teas in North Utah (zone5/6) and they had canes the thickness of a wrist and 4-5 feet tall. I have never seen roses grow that tall. Chicago where I have been several times ... has sweltering heat with temps between 85 and even 100F for weeks in Juli and august. My friends in Cold Iowa zone 5a have everything blooming 3-4 weeks before things bloom here (daffodils and lilics E.I) and quite hot temps months before it gets summer here. So it really is hard to compare. All I know is that one has to choose roses that can survive the temps they have in the area they live in. I have to anticipate temps below -20F. So that makes it 5a. Also the amount of sunlight must matter so the lattitude must be taken into consideration I live on 56 degrees N lattitude. While Chicago (zone 5) is on 41 degrees N (same as Rome in southern Europe) I guarantee you that the sun intensity that far south is much bigger than this far north and that it plays a big role in growing roses too... I just saw a zone 5 guy´s Evelyn roses in the Antique rose gallery ... it is nearly impossible to grow that Austin rose so big here. It freezes back to the ground every year here. That should not be the case if I really lived in zone 6b. So other factors must be taken into consideration than the temperature. Perhaps the higher summer temps and the greater sun intensity makes the roses grow bigger since the amount of sunlight also determines how tall a rose grows? But yes I am happy I do not live in Montana ...even though is one of the most beautiful places on this earth (and good troutfishing too!!)....See MorePalatine will open for bare root rose ordering 9/14/2020 at 9am EST
Comments (220)Just to close out the story here -- So I had originally ordered the Eden as a gift for my friend. As you know, my AL turned out to be Eden. So we moved Eden to her new home on Saturday. And the Augusta Luise replacements (less than grade #1) arrived on Friday, so those got planted on Saturday. One in my yard, and one in my friend's yard. I have another AL coming in fall from FReedom Gardens. But I trimmed all the Eden blooms & buds off the rose before digging it up, and here is the glorious picture. If it was scented, if I had room for another climber...I might have kept her! But that spot was created (literally -- had to build a rock retaining wall to fit in another rose there!) for Augusta Luise. p.s. Diane, Colette already has many buds. I'm so excited to see what she's like!...See MoreTNY78
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