Very fragrant Old red Roses...

13 years ago

Valentines day is arriving next week and red roses have been on my mind.

I was gathering cuttings from Luannes' garden this week when I came across a rose she had introduced to me last summer:

"W.E. Lippiat" a red H.T. that was introduced by Dickson, in 1907. I'd rate its scent as being 7 out of 10 for strength.

I love it because it has these traits:

-deep red rose, a bit darker than "Etoille de Hollande".

- and to my nose, "W.E. Lippiat" is even more strongly fragrant.

-It has an informal bloom form, not at all stiff and not high-centered, it has large petals on a bloom that opens widely.

It shows a bit of an H.P. influence in its sturdy growth habit character, and its rosebuds are shaped like an onion-domed Bourbon.

A modern rose that shows its' old rose ancestr

"Therese Lovat" has been unusually fragrant this week, I'd rate her nearly 6.7, out of 10, strong for a Tea.

I also love Francis Dubrueil"/Barcelona" for its strong damask rose type scent.

"Cramoisi Superior" has a sublime scent that reminds me of Japanese cherry flower incense.

I plan on planting a small red rose bed with "Boule de Neige" a white Bourbon that has red stained rosebuds among the red roses.

Has anyone dried petals of "Duchess of Portland"? I was wondering if they are as fragrant as dried petals of the "Apothecary Rose".

Would someone report on the most fragrant red Gallicas?

Luxrosa

P.s.. if only "Gloire des Rosomanes" were more fragrant... I can't imagine an Old Rose garden without it.

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jerome
13 years ago
Are you being strict about old vs. new? If you'd allow Austins, William Shakespeare 2000 is very fragrant, as is The Prince. He has a lot of fragrant reds. I don't about Hybrid Perpetuals...only grow Grandmother's Hat, Yolande d'Aragon and Jacques Cartier (more a Portland...) Sorry. My most fragrant red that I like best is a modern, "Firefighter". In this climate of inland Orange County, it can't be beat.
jacqueline9CA
13 years ago
I have a Cl Crimson Glory (old HT), and it has the strongest "real rose" fragrance of any rose in my garden. It has just started blooming - 3 blooms open so far - I can't wait for the rest!

Jackie
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I don't have a photo, I didn't own a camera on the month that the man brought me the incredibly large rose blossom. I've compared it to every thing I've ever seen blooming at vintage gardens home garden and at san jose heritage rose garden, and my journal notes about exceptional roses, and no description or image comes close to it. From its shape and style of bloom it appears to have a strong H.P. influence. One blossom has a great weight, for a rose blossom, a hardball baseball came to my mind when it was in my palm. The little scrap of foliage on the cutting the man brought me appeared somewhat typical for a H.T. but these were only 3 leaflet leaves. I would guess from those traits listed above that it could be a first or second generation Hybrid Tea. I would think that it would have been bred in a warm climate because it only opens fully in 80+ degree weather No Identification yet, as of March 9th, 2011. I would guess that in the modern age since patenting that such a rose would not have a great commercial value, because of the limitation from its requirement of heat to fully open, I've been looking among H.T.s that were introduced between the 1860's through the 1940's for an identification, to begin with. I've moved since getting the rose blossom and haven't seen the man who owns the rosebush since, but it is still on my mind. thanks all, Luxrosa
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Oklahoma is one of my favorites: Firefighter is NOT dark red. It's medium fire truck red, on the orange/pink side of red. The variety selection in Oz is different from the USA, but a great old HT rose available in your country is Charles Mallerin -- ugly plant though. I have 3X gallon sized plants from Roses Unlimited growing out in #5 pots at the moment. They have bloomed, but probably still too immature to give that saturated black velvet effect. I'm no Francophone, so it took me many many years to realize the name is actually pronounced "Shawl Mahlran." Oklahoma & Papa Meilland are it's seedlings, you should skip the bush version of PM. I'm very jealous of the Climbing Papa Meilland in OZ, because it's not sold in the USA. I recommend you try Black Baccara. It's a satisfying garden plant with very long lasting florist type roses. The fragrance is light at best, but it's a sacrifice for petal longevity. Each 5" perfectly shaped flower lasts over two weeks on the bush for me. Dakota Redwing is brick red or burnt orange during summer and most of the year. I have yet to see a purple bloom, but now would be perfect conditions with cold nights and clear daytimes. The first year has been underwhelming.... I grow the miniature Black Jade near my doorstep because I like to affix it to my jacket's lapel when I go into town. It's a beautiful blood red colour. I'm ordering Black Magic this upcoming Spring, so can't yet comment on its performance. You can find pictures to all of these on HMF.
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rosefolly
13 years ago
And my favorite fragrant red is Oklahoma, and older modern HT from 1964, full sibling to Mister Lincoln.

There aren't a lot of true reds in the old European roses. Lots of purply reds in the gallicas of course, but on the whole I find gallicas to be only moderately fragrant.

For pre-HT fragrant red roses, I think you will find what you want among the hybrid perpetuals.
harborrose_pnw
13 years ago
this is a red climber found by Ruth Stout and sold to me at Petals of the Past in Birmingham, Al.

It's a favorite because it's a found rose, as well as because of the delicious scent, strongest in warm weather. I am also really fond of Cramoisi's scent.

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13 years ago
One of my faves is 'Souvenir de Claudius Denoyel', a fairly large "climbing" Hybrid Tea of the 'Guinee' sort, but with very good rebloom. The scent is intoxicating and rich. Bloom color is an old fashioned red, meaning that it leans towards crimson, especially as the blooms age. It is remarkably healthy for a rose of its pedigree and I can grow it here without spraying. Why this isn't grown more often in warmish climates I don't know.

Here is a link that might be useful: Souvenir de Claudius Denoyel
clanross
13 years ago
I love Cramoisi and have many of them. It's kind of a magenta-red for me, but the found/Bourbon rose "Maggie" has wonderful fragrance. :)
luxrosa
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13 years ago
There are so many more books and websites that cover modern roses that I hope to find more information about old roses here.

any red mosses that any one loves?
James Veitch?

Lux
organic_tosca
13 years ago
Rosefolly: I agree about Oklahoma. That color is one you could drown in!

Lux: I think that James Veitch was the name of a rose that Jon at Mottisfont posted here on the forum a year or two ago - it was stunning.
landperson
13 years ago
Senegal is one of my favs.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.29363

She blooms like a house afire for me.

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