Is Don Juan fragrant? The color is fantastic.

After doing a quick google search on the Don Juan rose, it appears to be a fragrant one... I might try and locate this in our local nursery :)

I have the Don Juan...I don't think it's fragrant at all...beautiful blooms though

Don Juan has a lovely fragrance and it is a dark red. Dark Desire is a rose that I will receive in a couple of weeks. Somehow, I was under the impression that D.D. is darker than Don Juan... I have not grown D.D. yet and could be incorrect... Nigrette is the darkest red rose I own and it is fragrant. Oklahoma is as dark red too, but I find it to be more of a deep bordeaux with hints of purple.

Don Juan Climbing Rose

Oklahoma

Nigrette

Black Magic... has fragrance... but it is not strong... to my nose. It is a darker red than Don Juan, but that is not captured in this image.

Firefighter

I do not have any images of Firefighter... I find the fragrance strong and very appealing. The color is more in line with Black Magic, however, BM is darker red.

Firefighter on HMF - http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.288654

Francis Dubreuil/Barcelona - In person - rivals Oklahoma in terms of dark red.. minus the purplish tones. Will post a better image if I can find it. Below is a baby plant photographed during July or August... I think..

There are other dark reds but I am at a loss right now. Where are you gardening (zone... etc) ? Location will also help to guide suggestions.

My Dark Desire is quite dark, but not as dark as Nigrette. It is red with black smudging for me. Etoile d'Hollande and Crimson Glory are both supposedly fragrant, although I've never see either in person. AC Navy Lady is an incredibly beautiful dark red that also has fragrance. I've seen it and can't believe it's not more widely grown. I also think there's one called Baccara and also Black Magic? I love this colour so am always on the lookout for healthy dark reds. EdH and CG come in a climbing variety. Rambling Red and Fields of the Woods are two other lovely dark climbers.

Thanks Everyone. I'm located in Melbourne, Australia (I should update my profile to reflect this!)

I quite like the very dark colour of the Black Magic picture that was posted earlier... it's that very dark colour I'm looking for.

Thanks again for all the posts... good to see this is a very healthy forum!

David, I think the very dark one above is Nigrette.

Ah yes, sorry, was not reading the post correctly. Thanks!

If you can get this one it produces a memorable fragrance.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTcYTBcyJY6VcAv3E2nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBsZ29xY3ZzBHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEc2xrA2J1dHRvbg--;_ylc=X1MDMTM1MTE5NTcwMgRfcgMyBGJjawMlMjJja3E3NGRwYWZuZ3JtJTI2YiUzRDMlMjZzJTNEM2UlMjIEZnIDeWhzLWF2YXN0LWJyd3NyMDAxBGdwcmlkA1IxYklUMlZGU2lDRi5GNnZaNHk2U0EEbXRlc3RpZANudWxsBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNpbWFnZXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMyNwRxdWVyeQNjbGltYmluZyBldG9pbGUgZGUgaG9sbGFuZGUEdF9zdG1wAzE0Nzg2NTI4OTQEdnRlc3RpZANudWxs?gprid=R1bIT2VFSiCF.F6vZ4y6SA&pvid=De_7bDIwNi7KaORuVPvDdgJsMjYwMQAAAACyxFuP&p=climbing+etoile+de+hollande&fr=yhs-avast-brwsr001&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&ei=UTF-8&n=60&x=wrt&hsimp=yhs-brwsr001&hspart=avast&y=Search

David, are you looking for a Hybrid Tea or some other form of rose , as you are in Australia, go to Treloars Roses site and they have a section about fragrant roses. Camp David or Papa Meiland might work for you.

https://www.treloarroses.com.au/

lavaglut.

Thanks David, funny you mention Treloar roses, as that's where I got my Dark Desire from! :) It's almost like I need to go to a "rose farm" and smell the roses that are there and get the one I like.

Papa Meiland does look very much like what I am looking for - just need to smell one! :)

Deep Secret!!!

http://www.magicgardenroses.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=deep_secret

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/2143833/some-roses

I vote for Munstead Wood. Very romantic dark red, great bloomer, very fragrant!

Munstead Wood is very fragrant, atleast IMO. I have both Don Juan and Munstead Wood, I dont feel Don Juan is fragrant at all, but Munstead Wood is awesome, but very thorny

I adore MW, but in my sunny spots it is fuschia, not the dark red I had hoped for. I've gotten some outstanding blooms this fall. Perhaps it needs partial shade to bring out the darker hues.

Mine is in the shade, and very dark

Hi David. Red roses, especially dark red roses are my thing for sure! Where I am (northern CA), I have noticed they need to only get a few hours morning sun, then shade or dappled shade the rest of the day in order to develop their darkest color. Otherwise the sun makes them more of a bright red. The sun in Australia may be similar to CA... so keep that in mind! You may want to move your Dark Desire.

Don Juan is extremely fragrant here, but more of a true red than a dark red to my eyes. I like DARK. My Falstaff is so dark it is taking on a purplish hue right now. It's almost completely in the shade this time of year. It's a little darker than the photo was able to capture.

I recently got some bands of Souvenir du Docteur Jamain and plan to put them in northern exposure for more shade. I'm excited for this one!

If you get Papa Meilland update with some photos! That one is on my list too.

Photo of another Falstaff I just moved from the sun to the partial shade. The new blooms are starting to darken. :)

Thanks Cori Ann. The blooms for Dark Desire are definitely dark, which is great! But when they bloom the colour does change quite a bit lighter. Not that I am complaining, I guess I was just looking for something really dark red.

The roses don't get late afternoon sunlight, mostly sun up until about 3pm? (I'd need to check my security camera for when the plant goes into the house's shadow).

I moved my Falstaff(s) and Munstead Wood so they are only getting sun until about noon now. Then they get a little more as the sun is setting. The sun from 12 to 3 is pretty intense here... probabaly the most intense... so if your part of Australia is like here you may want to just see what happens if you move it so it gets shade during that time especially. ;) Wouldn't it be fun if you suddenly got the dark rose you wanted?

Heres a photo of my Falstaff when it was in more sun (full sun until about 3-4)

And getting shade after noon. Red is hard to capture accurately, but you can see it's deeper and darker.

Also, here are some of Don Juan. Beautiful and fragrant, but more red than dark red.

Here's a photo of someone else's Souvenir du Docteur Jamain. You can see why I'm excited about it!

Papa Meilland would probabaly be a great one for you though. Hope to see your pics!

Hey also ... I should say that most others report great happiness with Munstead Wood, while Falstaff is reported to be stingy with blooms. That hasn't been my experience with Falstaff so far at all... but he may just like my unique conditions here. One of my Falstaffs was being a little stingy when he was in more sun. They really do seem to like shade here in my part of CA. My Munstead Wood is pretty new... so I don't have a lot to personally report yet except the blooms seem about the same as Falstaff. Both are great in my yard.

Falstaff seems to be more like a wanna be climber in this area and Munstead Wood seems to be a little squatty and spread-y instead ... but too early for me to really say.

Good luck! The search for the perfect dark red continues! :)

Munstead Wood and Falstaff both darken as they open (again, as long as they have some shade)... so you might like that variance. :)

Dark Desire is darker than Don Juan. It's more of a purple rather than red. I think you should give it more time.

Have you heard of the rose - Black Caviar? https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.40251.4

Its red is very dark that its bud looks black

My Oklahoma has consistently that dark red color and wonderful fragrance. We're very hot here 5 months of the year, so I do have it in afternoon shade.

My Dark Desire is new and I was able to detect very little fragrance while it was hot. So far it is not nearly as dark as Oklahoma. This may be a rose whose color varies seasonally, too soon to tell. DD promises to be a much more generous bloomer here, tho.

There is also Dakota Redwing. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.58671.0&tab=1

RVR has it in stock. https://www.roguevalleyroses.com/rose/dakota-redwing

"Lots to digest here.. now I need a bigger yard."

Welcome to the club! LOL

Papa Meilland gets my vote.

Oops I'm a bit late to the thread! Just thought I would put my two cents in, seeing I'm from Melbourne too...

I have Munstead Wood; its lovely, and a great smelling rose, but here it does "pink out" a fair bit as it gets warmer...mines already lightened up considerably and we aren't even out of spring yet. (and it only gets morning sun).

I only got Firefighter this Spring as a bareroot, and its looking good so far..I get a great old fashioned rose smell and it seems pretty dark still. Kind of early to tell tho really.. It's darker than Mr. Lincoln, who this year is sulking and refusing to bloom.

oh and I also have "The Prince"- not at all happy with this one, - it gets mildew, and even after repotting and copious fertilization, only managed one( ! ) bloom this spring so far, which promptly fried...

Prospero is cute, healthy and fairly productive, but its more purple red than you see to be looking for and not that strong smelling, at least in my garden.

Are you anywhere near Werribee? the State Rose Garden are having a rose and garden show next weekend, which is always good fun, and they have a great selection of red roses to sniff and observe..

haha due warning everyone..I get shutter crazy and always wind up taking at least a hundred pics there, so expect plenty of new posts in the gallery!

Fragrancenutter I love your Papa Meilland. What do you do for mildew... or does it not have that problem for you?

Oklahoma is one of my favorites:

The variety selection in Oz is different from the USA, but a great old HT rose available in your country is Charles Mallerin -- ugly plant though. I have 3X gallon sized plants from Roses Unlimited growing out in #5 pots at the moment. They have bloomed, but probably still too immature to give that saturated black velvet effect. I'm no Francophone, so it took me many many years to realize the name is actually pronounced "Shawl Mahlran."

Oklahoma & Papa Meilland are it's seedlings, you should skip the bush version of PM. I'm very jealous of the Climbing Papa Meilland in OZ, because it's not sold in the USA.

I recommend you try Black Baccara. It's a satisfying garden plant with very long lasting florist type roses. The fragrance is light at best, but it's a sacrifice for petal longevity. Each 5" perfectly shaped flower lasts over two weeks on the bush for me.

Dakota Redwing is brick red or burnt orange during summer and most of the year. I have yet to see a purple bloom, but now would be perfect conditions with cold nights and clear daytimes. The first year has been underwhelming....

I grow the miniature Black Jade near my doorstep because I like to affix it to my jacket's lapel when I go into town. It's a beautiful blood red colour.

I'm ordering Black Magic this upcoming Spring, so can't yet comment on its performance.

You can find pictures to all of these on HMF.

Romogen do you have any photos of Dakota Redwing? I have held off purchasing it and hearing that it is burnt orange or brick red most of the year is good info... and so different than the photos! There are only a few pics on HMF. Thank you for such detailed info!

Papa gets the occasional mildew here. I use wetable Sulfur for mildew on roses and grapes. 2grams per litre of water in hot seasons and 4 grams per litre when it's cold.

I'm in love with Oklahoma and it is pretty easy to find in stores. Beautiful red color that sometimes has almost black edges. I just got Crimson Glory at Lowe's and I was shocked to notice it was very fragrant at 8 p.m. A true rarity for roses. Oklahoma seems vigorous enough here in Florida; especially for having black spot and not getting enough care from me. Crimson Glory is not vigorous but the gorgeous scent and color make it worth it. Don Juan is a classic red, much like ketchup. Fragrance is raspberry and is delightful, not the strongest but not weak. I would recommend them all. The darkest red roses are frequently unscented. The most fragrant red roses tend to be more of a crimson or magenta color than dark/black red.