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Mirandy vs Chrysler Imperial

15 years ago

How does Mirandy compare to Chrysler Imperial? Which blooms more, is more disease resistant, and lasts better as a cut flower?

Thanks!

Dawn

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prairielaura
15 years ago
I prefer Chrysler because Mirandy has floppy-neck blooms. And I think Chrysler has a stronger scent, but that's pretty subjective.
barbarag_happy
15 years ago
I wouldn't say Mirandy is in the same league with CI at all-- but in YOUR area, Mirandy may perform better if it loves your climate. Everywhere I've travelled I've seen Chrysler Imperial-- in Seattle and Vancouver as well as Dallas and Columbus, Ohio. I don't remember seeing Mirandy in any public garden. If you're after dark red, you might take a look at Oklahoma or Francis Dubreuil/Barcelona.
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I tried a few times to grow Mirandy, and did not find it to be a particular hardy rose for me. I had been told that it does not like Tulsa winters, and Tulsa is zone 7A, more southern than those of you posting. None of you are mentioning that Mirandy has trouble with your winters, so I consulted HMF. It was not mentioned there either. Also we bought it more than once because of the dark red. Again, that was not supported in the HMF pictures or what others here are writing. Bottom line form me alone: I think the rose is not a very healthy strong rose in my 7A garden. I reduced my number of roses from almost 300 last year, and of all the roses, Mirandy was not strong. She was absolutely beautiful with a darkness that was not displayed in any of the HMF pictures. Anne Cecilia lives in Michigan of all places, and if she is growing it there, my information has been incorrect. Michigan is cold. Tulsa has cold spells. This is just a "for what it's worth post". To me it is a small beautiful rose that doesn't like the cold. Sammy
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Sherry, best wishes on your quest for that rose! I think I understand Maryl's point that RMV is neither a guarantee of abysmal performance in a given rose, nor is virus-indexed source a "magic bullet." I've seen quite a few roses I knew were virused never thrive; others do fine initially but then decline. BUT, I agree there could be other factors in why a particular rose is not healthy. RMV just happens to be a good suspect. But like Maryl's example, I've also had a few roses I knew were virused (due to the tell-tale marbled pattern on occasional leaves) that nevertheless performed quite respectably. I've had specimens of Peace and Tiffany that did just fine. I only had mine less than 4 years, so how they would have done after 10 I don't know. If the research literature is correct though, a given RMV-infected specimen will still tend to do significantly worse over several years than that same specimen were it virus-free. Whatever the reason for your CI's failing to thrive, it seems a good chance that the stock is weak for whatever reason. If you replace them with a source that has received good reviews (like RU), I think you'll be happy. I hope they'll have some available soon. If not, you might consider ordering from Northland Rosarium in Washington State. You have to order it specifically for spring, but they have a very good reputation for quality own-root roses, and they do try to screen out RMV-infected stock. As for the potted vs. in-ground issue, I should have mentioned my roses are all potted. I have a suspician I can't prove that own-root roses are happiest when given a chance to develop for a while in a pot with good potting medium, rather than being planted in the ground as a little rooted cutting. Plus, if you're in central or southern Florida, you don't want to plant into the ground unless you're planting China rose varieties or roses grafted onto Fortuniana. Potting the roses and keeping the pot out of direct contact with the soil from the ground will help keep root-rot nematodes from invading the rose's root area. Mike
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jimofshermanoaks
15 years ago
I have grown both roses and would recommend Chrysler Imperial as the better rose. Not only does it have a better scent and is more vigorous, Mirandy 'blues' something fierce, and that is not curable.

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susan9santabarbara
15 years ago
Agree with all of the above comments... Chrysler Imperial is far better. I keep Mirandy b/c I have an affection for that family :-D

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sammy zone 7 Tulsa
15 years ago
Mirandy has a low rating partially because it is not winter hardy. It is a shorter rose than CI, but I love the color. If I wanted to spray, I would love to have it. I also love Francis Dubreil.) Oklahoma, (the rose)is not that good of a rose here either. (I live in Tulsa, OK, but Oklahoma is not that popular here.)

Chrysler Imperial is wonderful. Around here it must be sprayed, but it is much larger, and a very dramatic rose. THe scent is also just perfect. I also had like Opening Night, and another older one like CI, but I don't see much about these roses anymore.

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littlesmokie
Original Author
15 years ago
Thanks to all of you for your comments, they've been very helpful, especially since there is a clear consensus ;-)

I've seen both roses in person in the past & liked them but couldn't remember the specifics, other than-I agree with all of you-CI really stood out to me for the fragrance. Yum!

I don't think I'd mind nodding blooms or bluing on Mirandy, but honestly when I'd seen her in other gardens I'd always wondered whether I'd just caught her on a bad day (young establishing plant/resting between flushes, etc.) Now I wonder. Well if I can find them locally I am still hoping to try both this year, but I do have much higher hopes for CI now!

Thanks again,

Dawn
nickelsmumz8
15 years ago
Portland Nursery should have some Chrysler Imperial if you don't dawdle.

-Greta

Here is a link that might be useful: Portland Nursery 2009 roses

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