Marie Pavie
daisyincrete Z10? 905feet/275 metres
11 years ago
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Marie Pavie and Marie van Houtte
Comments (4)We are not as continuously hot as Phoenix, but type of baking, arid heat is similar, with lots of wind thrown in. MP hated it here. Pretty show in the spring and suffered greatly when the brutal heat hits. Crispy critter blooms and chlorotic foliage in borderline alkaline soil. It now resides in the pot ghetto, looks better than in the ground. My MvH is very young, in the ground since spring 2010. Healthy, attractive foliage, blooms hold up fairly well in the heat. Takes the late afternoon sun without sunburning. And made it through our last winter with the sub-zero temps with little die-back. A great rose!...See MoreMarie Pavie & Marie Daly
Comments (8)I prefer Pavie, but Daley is very nice. I'd recommend partial shade for both, at least in hot to pretty warm climates. I've grown them in afternoon shade in PDX. Better color and longer lasting blooms. Both are very nice and I like Daley almost as much as Pavie. Useful, modest size, flexible, healthy, thornless, sweet fragrance--both. Pavie seems slightly more fragrant to my nose, but that could be imagination. Carol...See MoreMarie Pavie?
Comments (26)I have Marie Pavie in Western Europe, morning shade, but under open sky, and it is really a nice plant. It stays small and does not produce the enormous blooms of some of the Austin roses, for example, but unlike many of those, for me it has been a really great continuous bloomer, with lots of small flowers appearing pretty much every day, and this went on until until we had some big freezes in December, even though in December there is very little sun in the back, so it's good for a shadier spot. And now in March, it is one of the first to have buds again, and many of them... Despite the fact that it has been cool, humid and not that sunny. I do not notice much scent but it is really quite lovely and tough. It is not tall but mine likes to spread horizontally. A good plant if you want lots of blooms and are sick of fussier trendier varieties that are a bit more stingy or temperamental. You can actually put it in front of the border, mine is front of a taller rose, for example, so it can definitely have its place about anywhere....See MoreMarie Pavie performance in full shade?
Comments (38)Let me confess straight out that I didn't (yet) read all of the posts on this thread,so if I say anything redundant, that is why. I myself have a very, very different situation from that of Aaron, the OP. My garden, here in roasting-hot Italy, has a south-western exposure. I have an area, shaded by a large oak, that gets sun only in the late afternoon. I think this situation is much worse than that which Aaron describes,since I've read that roses can tolerate only morning sun much, much better than they can only evening sun. However, I think that what Diane Brakefield write is extremely pertinent; the amount of light is going to differ vastly according to one's latitude. My shaded roses are not -for now-stellar, but they might do better if I pamper them a bit more,since they do have to deal with the competition of the oak's roots. From what I've read, Hybrid Musks tend to be shade tolerant. Lilyfinch makes an excellent point, too; roses with few petals can handle a lot more shade than fuller ones can. My Narrow Water-a noisette-is in a very shady spot and is doing well, even without pampering. When trying to find out about the shade tolerance of a given variety, I like to go to the Peter Beales's site. In their on-line catalogue they do state if a given rose is shade tolerant. I figure that if a rose will tolerate some shade in the UK, it will appreciate some shade here in Italy. But I don't know how this would work out for gardeners in the northern USA. But the fact that Aaron's site does get sun in the AM is an advantage; the presence of the pine trees instead is a dis-advantage....See Morehoovb zone 9 sunset 23
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