Stay calm, Marsha, I didn't mean to imply you're on the DG marketing team, or anything, but although their section on use of material is much less lengthy than the one in the new iVillage TOS (as are their sections in pretty much ALL of their TOS, which is about the size of GW's OLD TOS when Spike still owned it), it DOES have the same gist to it, i.e., that they're saying they can use whatever you contribute however they see fit. It's kind of like some magazines that accept a lot of submissions from readers... For instance, I subscribe to "Birds & Blooms," and I LOVE the magazine... Each issue is FULL of plenty of beautiful pictures and occasionally a useful article or two, as well :) MANY of those photographs happen to be user-contributed, however, through various sections of the magazine where they tell you how you can contribute and in most cases they say something to the effect that "photographs cannot be returned and become the property of 'Birds & Blooms,'" thereby getting a lot of content for free -- or they sometimes will say they'll send you a free "suncatcher" or something similar if they use your photograph (token payment). That sort of thing is quite common among smaller PAPER publications. The INTERNET, on the other hand, is still a rather young and evolving area, and I think this idea of forums laying claim to perpetual use of all material posted on them might be a growing trend, since I now see it on both Dave's Garden and in the new iVillage TOS... Prior to this development, the internet, still being very much a sort of "wild west editorial environment," has had forums like these with sometimes experts and even famous people posting on them as just "regular Joes," sharing their knowledge and expertise, perhaps in some cases even relieved to finally be able to have something resembling "public conversations" without having to worry about being swamped by fans, and so forth, or repeatedly asked for free professional advice because people know they actually happen to be Dr. Phil, or Steven King, or whoever. And NO, I'm definitely NOT one of THOSE people... At one point a few years ago, I had a bit of "local celebrity" status as a weekly newspaper editor, but the biggest thing I've ever published was the cover story for a state-wide public policy journal read by all the lawmakers and public officials in SC... And I'm not aware of any such folks on the Carolina Gardening forum, but I DO know of at least one Professor of Environmental Sciences at the University of Vermont who is a sometimes (used to be regular) poster on the Ponds forum and wrote that forum's FAQs. He's been featured in pond programs on national programs on Public Television, too. I seriously doubt HE'D appreciate having HIS contributions -- many of which he doubtless gained through years of research and study both in his pond and at the university -- appropriated by iVillage to use for THEIR advertising, without attribution, for free. As for the photographs, Yeah, I've done a bit of "professional photography." I shot many of the photographs for several of the papers I worked for, and I also shot weddings for a while, and got some really good shots... And today, with digital cameras and the ability to see what you have and keep shooting until you get what you want, I can get even better shots (My theory on professional photographers has long been that the biggest difference between most pros and serious amateurs was how many shots they could afford to take)... So nowadays, I'm getting some garden shots I think are of publishable quality, although since I lost my paper I'm too blocked to get up the gumption to go back to free-lancing again... BUT I'd still like that option. And I'm sure I'm not the only one... If you want another example, go to the Ponds and Aquatic Plants forum, click on the Gallery and look for the Fall Ponds Photos (10-17, I believe), posted by Cliff_and_Joann. That lady (Joann seems to do all the posting) takes GREAT pictures and has some of the most beautiful ponds with some of the most beautiful koi I've ever seen... and she usually posts them fairly large. She doesn't deserve to have those "appropriated." No, Dianne. I won't leave (although they may kick me off with all I've been writing, lol). But I may be more selective with what I post and shy away from some of the more humorous or creative posts, or anything I think might look "attractive" to someone looking for something to "appropriate." And Marsha, I think your efforts on this front are admirable, so please don't think I was slamming you. I'm not really all that concerned about the cookies and partners and ads and so forth. I just don't like them laying claim to all our "intellectual property." By the way, it's not just me. I think all of YOU have a lot of "intellectual property" to protect, as well, even if you don't. Take care, Jeff

I'm guessing that you saw the What's New at GW Message and then went to the link...Login and Profile Issues Posted DEc 28th: For login issues: Sometimes your browser's cookie file can become corrupt and it can be helpful to delete it and restart your browser. More information on how to do this can be found here. Please give us a detailed description of your issue. If you can't login, a step-by-step account of what you do to login is crucial. On what forum or page are you logging in? Where is the link on the page that you are using? What error message do you receive? Can you login on any other pages or is it just in one specific area?"Some of the links to login are not working properly and will cause a page error when you try to sign in. If this happens, use the login link found at the very top of the page. It is located in the green bar next to the GardenWeb logo and says, 'Log in'. You can also log in using this url - http://www.gardenweb.com/auth/login.htm Then Jan 6th, this was added: " Some of the links to login are not working properly and will cause a page error when you try to sign in. If this happens, use the login link found at the very top of the page. It is located in the green bar next to the GardenWeb logo and says, 'Log in'. You can also log in using this url - http://www.gardenweb.com/auth/login.htm" So, assuming that you cleared cookies and restarted your browser, and you gave a detailed description of your issue when you contacted them, and that you have tried as suggested to log in from the link at the very top of the page and from http://www.gardenweb.com/auth/login.htm , I'd suggest contacting them again, with the info requested, and note in the subject line something like "Logging In-second report". I'm not having log-in issues, but am having Profile issues,which I have reported and they are working on. I'm sure that is taking a back seat though to those who are still having "log in" issues.

Amberlay--yes the search is definitely broken! I just received some Xenon undercabinet light bars from Pegasus. They are very nice and well priced. I went with these because they are the thinnest I could find that also contained a transformer. They have a size guide on their website. Our KD suggested 3-4 inches shorter than each cabinet, measured from the inside of the rim. I ended up with 14" for my 18" cabinets and 22" for my 27". I could have probably gone a little shorter, but they fit perfectly. I went with the bronze because I have medium cherry and wanted to hide them as well as I could. They measure 15/16" and I cannot see them--and I do not have a light rail. Hope this helps...

For the ones having trouble, what browser(s) are you using? What firewall? Spywareblaster? Any filters, modified hosts files or anything? What maintenance regiment are you using? How often do you scan for malware, viruses and the like? Doing Windows Updates regularly? Just usinging the theory if enough people tell their doctors they don't feel well they'll make us all well again isn't very practical if you want it to get better. Sometimes it's better to use the old joke as the philosophy - It hurts when I do this... then don't do that! Maybe you need to do something about the condition instead of expecting them to do everything?