Journal 17 December 2007

16 years ago

As promised, the tub swimming picture. Go check out the gallery for mine and others so we can keep this gallery!

Late last week when trying to fill LF's ADHD medication, I was grilled by the partner to the physician who has been caring for him. Nicci left and I really miss her. I've never ever never ever liked this person. She butts in where she doesn't belong and gives blanket answers to everything, obviously never stopping to read by little fella's charts. For example, when he was a wee little itsy-bitsy lad, he had to have acid reflux medicine until his valve finshed developing. In-between Nicci arriving and the physician before departing, we called for a refill. The nasty MD decided she needed to see him before she'd issue it. Whattha?!! He'd been seen, diagnosed and treated for months, so why did she need to see him? Money-grubbing, slacking, controlling! I digress. This week, the control-monger decided it was necessary for an entire exam before issuing any more ADHD meds. Although, again, he'd been seen, diagnosed and treated for months by Nicci. We still won't see control-monger, but decided to follow the advice as Ed had missed the regular annual exam a couple of weeks ago. Not the right reason, but the right course of action, so... Ok to that.

Although able to answer all the questions in the right ways (we always let him answer and qualify anything not clear), he still doesn't measure up. He's always been undertall. But he's been steadily declining when compared to his age/gender group. He's gone from 25% to 15% to 3%; 97% of boys his age are taller than he is. What's more important? His growth curve is now looking like a limp noodle, backwards cane. Not upwards, but a "lack of growth" if you will. It can be an indication of underlying undiagnosed diseases, mostly relating to varying degrees of renal failure. We spent the last half of the day getting stuck, x-rayed and tested. On the bright side, he's fine sprinkled with better than average on every other aspect (so not "failure to thrive", a good distinction). We're waiting now, with hopes of him being a late bloomer as is typical of premies.

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rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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Still waiting and hoping all underlying disease (like renal tubular acidosis) is ruled out.

Today, I thought about what songs I wanted played at my funeral. I wasn't thinking about it, but heared "Angel" by Sarah Maclaughlin (sp?) on you tube. A comment said, "I'd like this played at my funeral". "Good idea" I thought. Then I found Josh Groban's "You Raise Me Up". Another one. It will be a time of peace and triumph, so they are perfect.
lilod
16 years ago
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Rob, something is getting to you!
I am keeping you and LF in my thoughts, can't really comment on your Dr. hassles so much, because modern Medicine is so removed from my experience.
My 3lb. preemie will be 60 years old (yikes) next month and I think I want to share the adventure one of these days.
Hang in there!
Blessings
Lilo
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Williams # Andrea Parade m, 17/25, 2004, N/S Poulsen Andromeda Hit w, 17/25, 2004, N/S Poulsen Angie Heatwole w, 12-30-07 Ange Divin op, 41+, 1994, L.Lens Anneli ob, g/d, 12/16, 1.5", bic, 2004, 4/2004, cg, a, l, S. McCann Annette mp, 17/25, 1998, Olesen Ashton pb, 17/25, 1.5-1.75", 4-17-06, 7.5 (7.7), V. Wells Autumn Bliss yb, 26/40, 1", 12-1-05, V. Wells Autumn Splendor yb, ex, 26/40, 2", s, a, t, 8.1 (8.1), R. Williams # Babyface w, g/d, 17/25, 2", bic, 2001, 3/2001, bg, b, m, R. Rawlins Baldo Villegas w, 7/2009, V. Wells Barbara yb, 7-28-2009, M. Moe Belle Hit lp, 17/25, 2.25", 2005, N/S Poulsen Bella Via w, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, ug, a, m, 6.4 (7.2), H. Zipper Bellissima or, ex, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, ug, a, m, 7.6 (7.4), H. Zipper BettyÂs Baby dp, 9/16, 1.5", bic, 1994, 4/2000, bg, c, m, J. Bell Bijou pb, 1991, NR, L. Lens Blanca Parade w, 17/25, 2.75", 2001, N/S Poulsen Blue Suede Shoes m, 10-1-2008, V. Wells Bluesette m, 50, 1986, Bonbon Hit yb, 9/16, 2.75", 4-2-06, N/S Poulsen Bonnie Sky pb, 11-19-07, R. Tucker Bordeaux Palace mr, 17/25, 2.75+", 2004, N/S Poulsen Bowie Yellow Patio my, 1995, NR, J. B. Williams Brand New Girlfriend m, 9-10-2008, V. Wells Breid rb, 10-8-07, 9/16, 1", bic, cg, c, m, 1/2008, D. Kenny Brian mr, 17/25, 1997, NR, V. Barni Bronze Baby yb, 1987, NR, C. A. Pearce Bubikop pb, 1986, NR, M. Tantau Bud Meyers, ob, 4/8, 1.5-2", s, 8-21-06, 10/2006, cg, c, m, S. McCann Bunter Kobold yb, 1995, NR, P. Dickson Butter Cream my, ex, 26/40, 2", s, ug, c, t, 7.8 (8.2), R. Martin Jr. Byzantium ly, W. Millington Cachet w, ex, 26/40, 2", s, 1997, ug, c, t, 7.8 (8.1), R. Tucker Caledonia ly, 11-19-07, 7.3 (7.4), R. Tucker California Heart or, ex, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, bg, a, t, D. Bennett Callie Liane lp, 26/40, 2", bic, 1/2008, bg, a, m.11-19-07 Ray Ponton Calypso Hit dr, 17/25, 2.75+", 1998, N/S. Poulsen Camden m, ex, 17/25, 1.5-2", s, ug, a, t, 7.9 (8.0), H. 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Pearce DyllanÂs Mom rb, ex, 17/25, 2", s, 2001, 1/2002, ug, a, t, B. Epstein Edisto rb, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, 5-20-07, ug, c, t, 7.5 (7.7), M. C. Williams # Ellie Johnson my, 17/25, 2.75", 10-8-07, 1/2008, D. Kenny Eloise mp, g/d, 17/25, 1.5-2.75" bic, 2003, sg, a, m, J. Fleming Emerald Hit w, 17/25, 2.75+", 2004, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Emily Louise, dy , 4/8, 1990, NR, R. Harkness Equinox ob, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, 7-24-05, ug, 7.4 (7.6), R. Tucker Essie Lee ob, ex, 26/40, 1.5", s, 1992, 4/2000, bg, c, m, J. Bell Estepona Hit ob, 17/25, 2.75+", 2004, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Ester Jasik w, ex, 41+, 2", s, 1997, 11/1999, ug, a, t, H. Zipper Fair mp, 17/25, 1996, mg, a, m, Olsen Fancy Dancer mp, ex, 17/25, 2.25", s, cg, t, 7.2 (7.2), D. Bridges Fancy Hit or, 17/25, 2.75+", 1994, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Fantasi w, 50, 1.5-2.75", 1996, G. King MR 12 Fantasy Hit dr, 9/16, 2.75+", 1993, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Favourite Hit ab, 20, 2.75", bic, 2002, bg, a, m, N/S. 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Poulsen Golden Trust yb, 17/25, 2", bic, 2001, ug, a, m, R. Harkness Good Ole Mountain Dew m, 9-22-08, V. Wells Grace Mary Rose ab, g/d, 9/16, 3", bic, bg, a, m, World of Roses Grace Sharington mp, ex, 26/40, 3.5", bic, 5-20-07, bg, c, t, G. Mander Graceland op, 1989, NR, G. Kirkland Graduation Day ab, g/d, 41+, 2", bic, 2004, 4/2000, bg, a, m, B. Jalbert Grand Old Opry yb, 17/25, 2.5", s, ug, a, t, 1/2010, V. Wells GrannyÂs Favourite op, NR, mg Hampton w, 17/25, 2.75+", 1996, NR, ug, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Hand In Hand or, 17/25, 1.5", bic 1994, bg, a, m, , R. Harkness Happy Birthday w, bic, 1997, ug, a, m Happy Times mp, 1995, NR, m, P. Chessum Harm Saville dr, g/d, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, bg, a t, 7.6 (7.4), T. Carruth # Hazel McCallion pb, 1-27-08, , 5-2008G. Mander Heartlight ob, ex, 16, 1985, bg, G. King Heavens Above rb, g/d, 26/40, 1.5-2", bic, 2003, bg, a, m, R. Webster Hedgefire mr, 1983, NR, m, W. Kordes Heidi Parade mp, 25/35, 2-3", bic, 2006, bg, a, m, N/S. 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Williams Jeanne dÂArc Parade w, 2.75+", 4-2-06, sg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Jennifer Hit dr, 43, 2.75", s, 2003, bg, a, m, Olsen Jerry Lynn ab, ex, 26/40, 2.25", s, 2004, bg, c, t, 7.4 (7.8), R. Tucker Jim Loves Peggy w, 3-12-08, 5-2008 Jolanda Hit w, 75/85, 2.75 +", s, 2002, ug, c, m, Olsen Jolly Good op, p, 17/25, 1.5", bic, 2000, 11/2000, bg, a, m, L. Lens Joy Kathleen pb, 10-13-2008, 3/2009, 2.75", 26/40, Bert Wheeler Joyful pb, 12-10-07, V. W. Wells Jone Asher mr, p, 41+, 1.5", bic, 1988, 9/2004, bg, c, l, C. A. Pearce Joyce lp, 4/8, bic, 2001, NR, a, J. B. Williams Judie ab, 7-28-2009, M. Moe Julie Parade lp, 17/25, 2.75+", 2001, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Jupiter m, 7/8/2008, D. Bridges, Kaylee Rose lp, g/d, 41+, 1.5", bic, 2001, bg, c, m, Hugo Kuze KieranÂs Rose yb, g/d, 4/8, 1.5", s, 11-1-06, ug, c, t, Sergio Aguilar Kim PeterÂs mp, 26/40, 1.5", bic, 5/2006, bg, b, m, P. Chessum Kismet yb, ex, 17/25, 2", bic, 2-13-06, 11/2005, 7.1 (7.2), R. Tucker Kristen Jennifer pb, 11-17-08 LÂ je mr, 12-17-07, Leslie Wspanol Lady EÂowyn pb, ex, 26/40, 1.5", s, 2000, bg, c, m, 7.2 (7.4), R. Tucker Lady Jennifer Green p, w, 4/8, 1.5", s, 5/2006, cg, c, m, P. Chessum Lady Parade mp, 35/45, 2.75", 2001, bg, c, m, Olsen Laura rb, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", bic, 2001,10/2001, ug, c, m, D. Giles Laurel Louise ab, ex, 17/25, 1999, cg, c, m, J. Clements Leading Lady w, ex, 17/25, 2.75-3", s, 8-11-06, ug, a, t, 7.8 *.1), F. Benardella # Lee GreenwoodÂs American Patriot m, 10-13-2008, 3/2009, 26/40, 2", V. Wells Leonie Parade mr, ex, 13/15, 2001, cg, c, l, Olsen Lesley-Anne Cl M/F, mr, 11-10-2009, 1/2010 Liberty Bell rb, ex, 26/40, 2.75", s, 11/2003, ug, a, t, 7.4 (7.6), F. Benardella Liberty Parade ob, 17/25, 2.75+", 2000, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Life Begins At 40 w, g/d, 17/25, 1.5", bic, 5/2002, cg, a, m, C. P. Horner Light my, 17/25, 2.75+", , 4-2-06, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Lilac Festival m, 12-9-07, A. Read Limerick rb, ex, 35, 1.5-2.75", bic, m, sg, a, m, 7.1 (4.2), H. Zipper Linda Parade mp, 31, 2.75+", 2003, cg, a, m, Olsen Little Deb or, g/d, 12/16, 1-1.5", bic, 2/2003, cg, a, m, J. B. Williams Little Len ab, 1987, NR, Hatfield &B Little Ruby dr, 4/8, 2003, bg, J. B. Williams Liza mr, 1993, NR, V. Bami Lo and Behold dy, g/d, 17/25, 2-3", 3/31/2009, L. Desamero Louise Emma op, g/d, 41+, 2.5", s, 10-8-07, 1/2008, bg, b, m, S. M. Pullen Louisville Lady dp, ex, 26/40, 2", s, sg, a, t, 7.6 (8.2), V. W. Wells Love Note pb, ex, 35, 2.75", s, 11/1999, bg, a, t, 7.6 (7.1), H. Zipper Lovebird mp, 1998, NR, F. Cowlishaw Loyal Friend w, 2001, NR, Gardner Loyal Vassal ex, ob, 26/40, 1.5-1.75", s, ug, a, t, V. W. Wells Lucky Me dp, g/d, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", bic, bg, c, m, B. & D. Eagle Luscious Lucy m, ex, 17/25, 2", s, 9/2004, bg, c, t, 7.4 (7.7), R. Tucker Lynn m, 7-28-2009, M. Moe Madeline yb, ex, 17/25, 1", s, 8-15-05, 1/2005, 7.3 (7.1), R. Guillebeau Madeline Spezzano mp, ex, 45, 1.5-2.75", s, bg, a, m, 7.3 (7.6), D. Bennett Madonna ab, 17/25, 2.75+", 4-2-06, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Magic Hit rb, ex, 26/40, 2.75+", 2001, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Majorette mr, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", 1987, Marie-Louise Meilland MR 12 Mama Mia mp, ex, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, 10/2000, bg, a, t, 7.4 (7.1), H. Zipper Mamacita m, 2", 11-10-2009, 1/2010 Mandarin Silk ob, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, 1/2006, ug, c, t, James Denton Mango Tango ab, g/d, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, 2000, ug, c, m, 7.4 (7.1), D. Giles Margaret Denton rb, ex, 26/40, 2.5-3", s, 4/2003, cg, c, m, J. D. Denton Mariam Ismailjee rb, ex, 4/8, 2.5", s, 9-27-06, 11/2006, ug, c, t, G. Mander Marian Finnucane dr, ex, 17/25, 2.75+", bic, 10-8-07, 1/2008, cg, c, m, D. Kenny Marianne Hit my, 9/16, 2.75+", 1998, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Marie Christina lp, 1988, NR Martina Hit dr, 9/16, 1998, N/S. Poulsen Martinique Hit ab, 17/25, 2004, N/S. Poulsen Mary ÂnÂ John my, g/d, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", bic, bg, a, m, S. McCann Mary Louise m, g/d, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, ug, a, t, 7.5 (7.6), L. Buster MaryÂs Pleasure- The Mary Woods Rose g/d, dp , 1.5", bic, cg, P. Chessum Maxima Hit ob, ex, 60/70, 2002, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Me & Mrs Jones lp, 9-22-08, S. Jones Mee Maw pb, ex, 17/25, 2", bic, 10/2006, bg, a, t, James Sprout Melinda Alonso ab, 10-8-07, Peter Alonso Jr. MR 12+ Melody Hit dp, 17/25, 2.75+", 1998, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Memory Hit ob, 17/25, 2000, N/S. Poulsen Memphis Blues m, ex, 17/25, 1.5", s, 10-28-05, 7.6 (7.6), V. W. Wells Memphis Cajun m, ex, 1.75", bic, 4-30-06, ug, c, t, 7.4 (7.6), V. W. Wells Memphis King dr, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, ug, a, m, 7.7 (8.0), V. W. Wells Memphis Magic dr, ex, 17/25, 2.5", s, 2/2005, 7.5 (7.7), V. W. Wells Memphis Music rb, ex, 17/25, 1.5", s, 5/2006, 7.8 (7.7), V. W. Wells Mette Parade w, 17/25, 2.75+", 2004, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Michelle Claire op, g/d, 17/2, 1.5", bic, 2001, 3/2001, cg, a, m, H. Horner Michael Mander pb, ex, 4/8, 3-3.5", s, 10-15-07, 1/2008, G. Mander Mike Peterson ly, ex, 17/25, 1.5-2", s, 8/2003, ug, a, m, Mitchie Moe Minnelli ab, 40/50, 2.5", Olsen MR 12 Mistral Parade dy, 26/40, 2.75+", , 2000, bg, a, m, N/S Poulsen Misty Eyed w, g/d, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", bic, 10/2003, sg, a, m, S. McCann Misty Morning m, g/d, 26/40, 1.5", s, 1995, 4/2000, bg, a, m, G. Bell MontyÂs Joy m, ex, 3.25", 17/25, s, b, ug, t, 10/1/2008-6/6/2009 Moonbeam pb, temp. AEN / 2008 CRL, Olsen Moondance Masquerade w, 26/40, 1", s, 3/2006, ug, a, m, Bart Jalbert Moonlight ly, 25/30, s, 2006, bg, a, m, Olsen Moonlight Scentsation w, 41+, 2.5-2.75", s, ug, b, t, 7.3 (7.0), W. White Moonlit w, 12-10-07, A. Read Morag Ross yb, g/d, 17/25, 1.5", bic, 2002, 5/2002, cg, a, m, H. Horner Mr Lenard ex, mp, 26/40, 2.25", s 1-8-07, 4/2007, ug, a, t, 7.9 (8.0), V. W. Wells Mrs Mavis Watson ly, p, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", 1-23-06, bg, a, m, P. Chessum Mrs Zakia Mahmood Rizvi yb, 3/9/2009 My Inspiration w, ex, 26/40, 2.5-3", s, 4/2007, ug, a, t, 7.7 (7.8), V. W. Wells Natasja Hit lp, 9/16, 2.75+", 2005, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen NatureÂs Wonder pb, ex, 17/25, 1.5", s, 4/2007, ug, a, t, V. W. Wells Nemesis rb, ex, 17/25, 1.5", s, 9/2004, ug, c, t, 7.3 (7.6"), R. Tucker New Arrival or, 26/40, 1998, bg, c, t, P. Chessum Nicola Parade pb, 17/25, 2004, N/S. Poulsen Nicole Marie ly, ex, 26/40, 1.75-2.25", bic, 2002, sg, c, t, Albert LeBlac Nicoline Parade or, 17/25, 2.75+", 2004, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Night Music mp, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, 1988, ug, b, t, 7.6 (7.4), H. Zipper Noble Hit mr, 17/25, 2.75+", 1998, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen NOLpeg m, g/d, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", 8/2004, ug, c, m, G. D. Noland NOLsue pb, g/d, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", bic, 9/2005, bg, a, m, G. D. Noland Northwest Sunset op, (found rose) 1999 Olympic Gold ly, 26/40, 2.75+", ug, a, t, 1983, 3/2008, N. Jolly Orange Seabreeze op, 1996, NR, J. B. Williams Our Daughter mp, g/d, 41+, 2.25", bic, 2002, bg, b, m, Bill Bossom Our Jeannie mp, 10-13-2008, 26/40, 2", Horner Our Son mr, g/d, 17/25, 2", bic, 2002, 1/2002, bg, a, m, Bill Bossom Our Terry dr, g/d, 26/40, 3", s, 2001, 1/2002, cg, a, m, R. Webster Overnight Scentsation mp, ex, 41+, 2.5", s, ug, b, m, 7.7 (7.3) H. Saville Pam Tillis ab, g/d, 41+, 2.5-3", 8/2004, ug, a, t, 7.8 (7.6), H. Saville Patio Dance rb, ex, 20, 1.5", 1984, 4/2000, bg, a, l, J. B. Williams Patio Gold my, g/d, 17/25, 1.5", 1984, 4/2000, cg, a, l, J. B. Williams Patio Jewel m, 5/7, 1.5-2.5", bic, 1975, 4/2000, sg, a, m, J. B. Williams Patio Orange or, NR, R. Harkness Patio Patty yb, g/d, 9/16, 2", 1975, 4/2000, cg, b, l, J. B. Williams Patio Pearl pb, ex, 18/20, 1-1.5", s, 1975, 4/2000, ug, a, l, J. B. Williams Patio Pearl lp, 1990, cg, c, l, Olsen Patio Pearl Climbing lp, ex, Patio Ribbon dr, g/d, 9/16, 2.5-3", bic, 1975, 4/2000, bg, a, l, J. B. Williams Patio Snow w, g/d, 17/25, 1.5", bic, 1984, 4/2000, cg, a, l, J. B. Williams PatriotÂs Dream rb, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, ug, a, t, 7.4 (7.3) J. B. Williams Paula Smart rb, 26/40, 2.5", 11-1-2009, 1/2010 Peach Delight ab, ex, 41+, 2-3/8", s, 2001, sg, b, m, 7.7 (7.7), H. Saville Peach Parade ab, 17/25, 2.75+", 2000, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Peach Pastel ab, 2003, J. B. Williams Pearl Anniversary lp, 26/40, bic, 1995, bg, c, m, P. Chessum Penny Girl ab, 12-10-07, A. Read Perfect Hit dp, 30/35, 2", s, 1996, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Pernille Hit pb,16/19, 1998, bg, c, m, Olsen Peter Cottontail w, ex, 17/25, 2", s, 6-1-04, bg, a, t, 7.6 (7.9), R. Martin Jr. Petite Fredaine op, p, 17/25, 1.5", bic, 2000, 11/2000, bg, a, m, L. Lens Picture Perfect pb, ex, 26/40, 3", s, 1-8-07, 4/2007, ug, a, t, V. W. Wells Pink Pirouette mp, ex, 1998, mg, a, m, R. Harkness Pippy pb, ex, 1995, NR, mg, a, m, V. Barni Polar Cap w, ex, 17/25, 2.25", s, 12-18-04, 2/2005, ug, a, t, Ted Brown Power Point mr, 2007, 12-9-07, 7.7 (8.0), F. Benardella # MR 12+ Powerhouse or, F. Benardella Poopsie w, g/d, 26/40, 1-2", bic, 4-6-03, 4/2003, ug, c, t, C. Greenwood Prom Nite pb, ex, 41+, 1.5-2.75", bic, 10/2000, bg, a, m, 8.0 (7.4), H. Zipper Providence my, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.25", bic, 4-6-03, bg, 6.9 (6.7), R. Tucker Pure Hit w, 30, 2-3", s, 1993, ug, a, m, N/D. Poulsen Purple ÂnÂ Gold m, ex, 26/40, 3-3.5", bic, 2/2005, bg, a, t, G. Mander Purple Dawn m, ex, 17/25, 1.5", s, 1991, ug, a, t, 7.6 (8.0), D. Bridges Pzazz Hit rb, 17/25, 2.75++", 4-2-06, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Quite Time m, ex, 26/40, 1.5", s, 1995, 4/2000, bg, a, t, 7.7 (7.8), D. Bennett Rachel dp, ex, 26/40, 1.5", 10-31-05, 1/2006, ug, a, 7.5 (7.6), t, V. Richards Ramona Hit dp, 17/25, 2.75+", 2000, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Raspberry Ice rb, g/d, 40, 1.5-2.75", s, 1988, ug, c, m, 7.4 (6.9), H. Zipper Ray Sill mr, ex, 17/25, 1.75", s, 2001, 11/2001, bg, a, t, R. Hough Ready yb, ex, 26/40, 1.5", s, 11-20-06, 1/2007, bg, c, t, 7.3 (7.2), R. Tucker Real Hit dr, 17/25, 2.75+", 2002, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Reah Nicole pb, g/d, 26/40, 1.5-2", bic, 2004, 4/2004, ug, a, m, B. Jalbert Red Pagode mr, p, 17/25, 2.75+", 2000, cg, c, l, N/S. Poulsen Red Patio Wonder mr, 26/40, 2.75+", 1999, cg, a, l, B. Jalbert Regina Lee rb, ex, 26/40, 1.75-2", s, 6-28-06, 2/2005, 7.9 (7.9), V. W. Wells Regina Palace mp, ex, 65, 2.75+", s, 2002, bg, a, m, Olsen Remembering Dee w, g/d, 40/50, 2.75", s, ug, a, m, 7.4 (6.8), R & C Sparks Renegade lp, 1995, NR, R. Spooner Rest In Peace w, 26/40, 1997, ug, c, t, P. Chessum Rhona Catherine dr, g/d, 17/25, 3", bic, 2002, 3/2002, bg, a, t, John Bailey Rialto Palace w, 9/16, 2.75+", 2002, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Rickie Tickie or, g/d, 4/8, 1.5-2.75", s, 2003, 4/2003, ug, c, t, C. Greenwood Ricky Hendrick dr, ex, 26/40, 2.25", 8-2-06, t, 7.5 (7.7), D. Bridges, MR 12+ Rio Rita dy, p, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", bic, 1-23-06, 3/2006, bg, a, m, P. Chessum Rita Applegate ly, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, 1996, ug, a, t, 7.4 (7.2), D. Bennett Robin Alonso dr, ex, 26/40, 3", s, 10-28-05, 1/2006, cg, c, m, P. Alonzo Jr. Robin Red Breast rb, g/d, 4/8, 1.5", bic, 1983, bg, a, m, 8.8 (0.0), Interplant Roche Centenary mr, 1993, P. Dickson Rock Star or, 12-15-2008, 3/2009, 41+, 2", J. Singer Rocky Top or, ex, 17/25, 3", s, 1-22-04, ug, a, t, 7.6 (7.7), V. W. Wells Ronda Palace mr, 9/16, 2005, N/S. Poulsen Rose MacKenzie dr, g/d, 26/40, 2", bic, 12-1-05, 3/2006, bg, a, m, B. Jalbert Rosabell mp, p,17/25, 2.75", bic, 1988, bg, a, m, J. Cocker Rosita Parade yb, 9/16, 2.75+", 2000, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Rosy Ann op, p, 26/40, 1.5", bic, 2000, 11/2000, bg, a, l, L. Lens Rosy Pagode mp, 17/25, 2.75+", 2002, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Rowdy Roy rb, ex, 26/40, 2.5-3", s, 11-17-04, 2/2005, cg, a. t, 7.6 (7.1), D. Bennett Roxie op, ex, 17/25, 2", bic, 12-14-04, 9/2001, bg, c, t, 7.4 (7.5), R. Tucker Royal Flush pb, 1992, NR, N/S. Poulsen Royal Palace yb, 20/28, 2", , 2000, ug, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Ruffian op, ex, 17/25, 1.5", s, 2002, 11/2000, ug, a, t, D. Clemons Salmon Dream op, 1999, NR San Diego Sweetheart ab, 41+, 2.5-3.5", F. Strickland San Francisco Sunset or, g/d, 17/25, 3", bic, ug, a, t, 8.0 (7.4), S. McCann Sarah Anne mp, ex, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", bic, 12-4-02, 2/2003, cg, c, t, Allen Read Sassy Cindy rb, ex, 26/40, 2", 12-1-05, 3/2006, ug, a, t, 7.6 (7.4), D. Bridges Scarlet Hit dr, 18/22, 2", bic, 1996, a, Olsen Scarlet Patio mr, 9/16, bic, 1993, sg, a, l W. Kordes Scentillating Blues m, ex, 17/25, 2.75+", s, 2003, 10/2003, ug, b, t, B & D Eagle Scott Chait ob, ex, 26/40, 1-1.5", s, 4/2003, ug, a, t, 7.7 (7.4), H. Zipper Seattle Sunrise ab, ex, 17/25, 2-2.5", s, 9-1-05, 7.7 (7.6), Mitchie Moe Shameless rb, 12-23-07, V. Wells Shawn Sease pb, 4/25/2009 M. C. Williams Shenandoah dr, ex, 17/25, 2.25", s, 8-2-06, 10/2006, ug, a, t, 7.8 (7.9, D. Bridges Sherry Parks Sunrise ab, 41+, 2.5-3", 3/2006, bg, a, m, Brad Jalbert Shirley Raye yb, 9-11-2008, F. & B. Wright Shirynne Cowan op, ex, 17/25, 3", 10-2-07, 1/2008, G. Mander, 2008 Show Stopper ab, 2008 Handbook, 12-30-07, 7.7 (8.1), F. Benardella # Shrimp Hit or, 9/16, 2001, N/S. Poulsen Simply Beautiful m, ex, 17/25, 2", s, 2001, 5/2003, ug, b, m, V. W. Wells Sleeping Beauty pb, g/d, 41+, 2-2.25", 2005, 6/2006, cg, b, m, 7.7 (7.3), W. White Smiling Jean mp, 2008 Snow Hit w, 20/30, 1.5-2", bic, 2000, cg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Snow Ruby rb, ex, 17/25, s, 1996, ug, a, m, J. Clemons Solar Flair yb, ex, 26/40, 2-2.5", s, 9-23-04, ug, a, m, 7.4 (7.9), F. Benardella Something for Judy pb, ex, 17/25, 1.5-2.75", s, bg, a, t, 7.3 (7.2), D. Bennett Sonja Parade yb, 80/85, 2", 2003, cg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Soraya Hit mp, 17/25, 2.75+", 2000, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Southern Sunrise ob, 40, 1.5", 1999, B & G Eagle MR 12 Spectacular Palace ab, 17/25, 2003, N/S. Poulsen Spring Palace mp, 40/45, 2.75", 2003, ug, a, m, Olsen SpringÂs A CominÂ pb, ex, 17/25, 2", s, 2001, ug, a, t, 7.8 (7.7), V. W. Wells Spirit Dance ob, 11-10-2009, 1/2010 Stardance w, g/d, 35, 1.5", bic, 1982, , cg, a, m, 6.7 (6.6), J. B. Williams Starlet w, 17/25, 2.75+", 2005, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Starship yb, ex, 26/40, 2.5", s, 2001, 8/2002, ug, c, t, 7.4 (7.5), D. Bridges Sterling Parade mr, 17/25, 2.75+", 2001, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Strawberry Fayre rb, g/d, 26/40, 1991, m, Bear Creek Step Up dp, 7/28/2009 Supernatural ab, 2Â, 17/25, s, ug, t, 6/2/2009, M & L Steklenski Sullivan Hit my, 17/25, N/S. Poulsen Summer Night>>>>>>>>>>rejected>>>>>>>>>>>>Conundrum, Min Fl Summer Splash my, g/d, 17/25, 2.5", s, 2003, 5/2003, ug, a, m, L. Chaffin Sun Hit my, 30/35, 2.5", s, , 4-2-06, bg, a, m, N/S. Poulsen Sun Kissed yb, ex, 30, 2.5", s, 2003, 10/2003, ug, a, t, L. Chaffin Suncharm dy, p, 17/25, 1998, NR, cg, R. Harkness Sundance Palace dy, 15/20, 2.75", 1999, bg, a, m, Olsen Sunglow my, 12-10-07, V. W. Wells Sunglow Palace my, 17/25, 2.75+", 2005, bg, c, m, N/S. Poulsen Sweet Allison rb, g/d, 35, 2.75+", bic, 1985, bg, a, m, 7.4 (7.0), N. Jolly Sweet Arlene m, ex, 26/40, 2.5-3", bic, 2001, ug, b, t, 7.6 (7.6), D. Bennett Sweet Cheeks yb, ex, 9/16, 4", bic, 2003, 8/2003, ug, b, m, F. Strickland Sweet Dreams lp, 1995, NR, Jackson & Perkins Sweet Inspiration ?, temp. AEN / 2008 CRL, V. Wells Sweet Memories my, 26/40, bic, 1995, bg, a, m, Wharton Roses Sweet Tangela yb, ex, 26/40, 2002, ug, a, m, D. Giles Sweet Wonder ab, 26/40, bic, 1999, NR, ug, c, m Tabasco or, 7-28-2009, D. Clemons Tantalizing Mary yb, g/d, 26/40, 1.5-2.75", s, 2001, ug, b, m, S. McCann Tennessee Sunrise ob, ex, 26/40, 2.5", s, ug, a, t, 7.8 (7.5), V. W. Wells Tennessee Sunset yb, ex, 26/40, 1.5", bic, cg, a, m, 7.8 (7.4), V. W. Wells Tap Dance pb, 12-10-2008, 3/2009, 2.25", 41+, W. Millington Thank You pb, 9/16, bic, 1996, NR, m, P. Chessum Thanks To Sue ab, ex, 12/16, 2", 2/2005, ug, a, t, 7.7 (7.4), Ralph Moore The Creakes Rose ab, g/d, 17/25, 1.5", bic, bg, a, t, P. Chessum The Governator or, ex, 26/40, 2-3", s, 12-22-03, cg, c, m, C. Greenwood The Guthrie Rose pb, ex, 17/25, 1.5", bic, 8-21-06, ug, a, t, 7.9 (7.9, V. W. Wells The Mandrell Family yb, 12-10-2008, 3/2009, 26/40, 3.25", V. W. Wells The Merrion Rose rb, g/d, 4/8, 1.5-2.75", bic, sg, a. m, David Kenny The Westbridge Rose my, g/d, 4/8, 1.5", bic, 5/11/2008, sg, a, t, World of Roses Thelma Lou temp AEN 2009 AEN ThelmaÂs Glory dp, g/d, 12/16, 2", bic, 2004, 4/2004, bg, a, m, B. Jalbert Tidewater w, ex, 30/36, 1.5-2.75", s, 1991, sg, a, m, 7.5 (7.6), D. Bridges Tiffany Lite w, ex, 17/25, 2.75+", s, 1998, bg, a, t, 7.7 (7.4), D. Giles Tiffany Lynn pb, ex, 21, 2.75+", s, 1985, ug, a, m, 8.1 (7.6), N. 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rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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I'm not down or even worried... yet. It's ok, so far. I was frustrated with her behavior, but she's right (in a limited way), he needed a check up.

My son is short. Unbelieveably short. He still wears size 5 and is just now into 6. He's eight for gosh sakes! I'm 5'4", my mom is 5'8", my dad is 6'0". Ed's 5'11", his mom is 4'(?)10" and his dad was 6'4". No reason for the little fellar to be so little. He'll very likely be 6'0" if he shoots up, but he's not there. And if there is disease stunting his growth, it can be reversible. Or if it is "bad enough" renal failure, untreated, he can die. Let's rule it out or get it early is fine by me.

Do tell us about your premie sometime, I bet he's a hoss (big guy), because every adult premie I've ever known is HUGE. Ok, make that my sweetie will be 6'2" so that he'll be taller than his daddy.
lilod
16 years ago
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My preemie is a she - you may have met her on GP as Acorn.
She is just over 5 ft. tall, small-boned and slim and moves at least a tom of merchandise at her days at the Feed Store - sort of a "mighty mouse"
Janis_G
16 years ago
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Robin, you just keep on hanging on, Little Feller
will be okay. He's a great little guy and his mom is
pretty darn great to.

Lilo, my preemie is a 6' 3" guy. He sure has changed
since I brought him home in an incubator in '58.
dirt_yfingernails
16 years ago
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Robin, Hope your son is found healthy. My sister's stepson was on ADD meds but was not doing well with them. They took him off everything and his weight and growth zoomed, and he stopped having suicidal thoughts at age 9. The teacher and CPS threatened to take my sister and her husband to court for child abuse, but the two of them prevailed. I'm glad your son is being helped by his meds.
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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Thanks dirt_yfingernails! He's on the absolute lowest dose one can take and is not on them weekends or holidays. I fully believe my boy is just all boy, with a very active mind and body. I disagree he has ADHD, but my husband doesn't want to fight the school. It's ok I guess. I agree he can be totally disruptive because when he's done working, he's ready to play... even if no one else is. He takes them to so that the classroom is calm, "for the good of the community" so to speak. It's for a short time any how. He'll grow out of it, I think, I hope!

I'm even more glad your stepnephew (or as I've said many other times, nephew (by marriage)) was taken off the meds which weren't helping and they have all prevailed! That's a case where it was wrong from the first step and obviously didn't help. Eek on the thoughts and really really glad he is influenced any more.
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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NOT influenced. Yikes!
endorphinjunkie
16 years ago
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High IQ, healthy spirit, excess energy is NOT ADHD, though on the surface an over worked underpaid teacher might not be able to distinguish between the two.

Hmmm, medicating individuals simply because they don't fit the ideal of the group. Draconian, t'is.
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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I tried the bright argument too Michael. I was all alone and I got tired of people telling me how horrible he was and, more importantly, telling him how terrible he was. I gave up after years of fighting a fight I won't win. I agree it was a sad loss for my boy and myself. He knows I'm on his side. I know it's not ADHD. I just wish the rest of the uneducated world knew it.

Ironically, the first person who was trying to tell me she thought he had ADHD, kept pounding her fist on the desk and saying he had "hypertension". I had to keep from laughing at her assessment, all the time thinking, and I'm supposed to take your advice?! I'm pretty sure his blood pressure is just fine, but ok!
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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We'll see a specialist on April 29th for his stature issue. Not all the tests came back negative for problems.
sheila
16 years ago
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Rob, my two great-nephews were each very small and as each approached puberty and were still well below where they should be and they began hormone therapy. Each boy shot up and although neither one of them is ever to going to be much over 5'8" they are healthy and happy young men. One is becoming a fireman and the other just went into college.
One of the boys was getting picked on because he was such a shrimp so he took up wrestling at school. He became very good, eventually got a Letter in the sport. Once he got into wrestling no one ever picked on him again.

I feel sure the tests are going to give you some answers.
meldy_nva
16 years ago
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Elia ~ Thank you for saying that! Entirely too many people seem to be unable to differentiate between a high level of energy and ADHD.

And -please forgive me if I step on anyone's toes- but the school should NOT be making a medical/parental decision! The teachers can/should offer historical info regarding activity and attention levels, yes; but recommending or encouraging the use of medical pallitives, NO! And learning to move quietly and to be silent while others are working is a matter of practice and understanding that courtesy involves more than thankyous ~~ it also means not interupting others unnecessarily. Notice that this learning needs practice and repetition but it does not need a pill.

I do suspect that the school is not providing a sufficiently high level of exercise and probably not enough 'breaks' (as in a chance to get up and literally move around from one place to another) during classroom time. Think about it: just how long can you [as an adult] sit in one place and not only never squirm, but actually pay attention to one person? Keep in mind that very few adults have the energy level of a young child. I can tell you that most teachers attending our instructional workshops don't do well unless they have a ten-minute break after a maximum of 90 minutes. So why do so many of them expect energetic children to sit perfectly still for longer periods?
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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That's all good and fine Meldy. But what would you do after years of day-in/day-out of being berated (I can't even think of a good euphemism) by people who cannot, from lack of ? tools, intelligence, ? whatever it is... take time out to A) thank him for good behavior (to reinforce it, I agree), B) give him additional work (he's now in the gifted program, but that only meets one day out of the week) or C) allow him to move more (they have PhysEd every day, recess, and before/aftercare which allows them to run around quite a bit. When we are out with our son in public, we consistently hear how sweet and polite the boy is, so it isn't a lack of manners, he's just plain bored. I can't say that I blame him one bit.

What I am not sure society is grasping these days, that is, they don't understand, there were kids your age and mine who needed "something" who were bored to death in class. Some got lucky and came across the right teacher. Some never did. Those kids who either learned to "thrive or dive" because nothing helped. Yes, some dropped out. Some got ended up in worse circumstances, addictions, jail, etc. And some, like me, who learned to direct those beneficial energies. One particularly frustrating day, shortly before he took pills, I asked LF, "If you could take a pill that made it so that you didn't get in trouble, would you?" He adamantly said yes. He hated how he felt about himself. I hated those who are STUPID or whatever they are, that treated him like he was bad. If it helps him be who he wants to be and breaks the cycle of being told he's bad daily. He would've done whatever it took and I would've done whatever it took.

No I don't think he has ADHD. No one could hate medicating their son more than I do. I promise you that. But what is your solution Meldy? I'm not disagreeing with you, but it aint so doggone easy as saying, he's bright, treat him as such. I can't take time out to train them any more than they can take time out to train him. Years, day-in/day-out of fighting the system, and I still didn't win. I do hope you can give me an idea so that, in a couple of years, when he's mature enough and attends a different school, we can wean him off this crap! It's coming, just give me two legs to stand on and I'll fight it again.
meldy_nva
16 years ago
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A year after DD was born, we were visiting the Dr for her checkup. The checking nearly completed, Doc looks at me and asks if I'd ever heard of ADHD. Nope. That was over 30 years ago, and to make a very long story short, DD was formally diagnosed as being ADHD, along with allergies to oranges and to artifical food colorants, with a [later confirmed] suspicion that the allergies themselves were contributors to the ADHD. Although medicants were available, the pediatrician was very much against using them, feeling that a careful diet and considerable training in self-control was more effective. The diagnosis was not made after a half-hour's observation, or even after a month. It tooks many months of careful record-keeping of her behavior and a strict observance of diet, along with many many visits to doctors before they determined that she showed consistent symptoms of ADHD, and that the ADHD was seriously aggravated with the intake of oranges and food items containing artificial colors of red and yellow. (And let me tell you, back then labels rarely carried much specific ingredient information and even less on food additives.)

So, yes, I do understand that other folks are not very understanding. I'd like a dime for everytime someone -and family were often the worst- gave DD a cup of OJ, and for the next 30 hours *I* was the one trying to comfort and keep safe this small child suffering with literally non-stop movement, who alternated periods of running around the room with crying from the irritation caused by the allergic reaction. Once she got old enough to explain, she said it "feels like biting ants are running around under your skin." BTW, to this day she maintains that is a good description.

Somewhat more is known about ADHD today than was known 40 years ago, but there is probably even more that is not known. No one can give advice on the care of a person they don't know. All I can tell you is that for DD (who has an IQ of 150+), I maintained a strict diet that contained little sugar, no citrus and no food that could possibly have a coloring additive. At that time it was known that hamburger and other meats might contain coloring, so even meat had to come from a trusted grower. We started yoga while she was a toddler -- and yes, I think it did help teach her body-control. She had to learn to take responsibility for herself, and I had to learn to let her do it. Until she learned to politely refuse [candy/koolaid/OJ/fruit punch/cocoa/soft drinks/etc] I did run interference, including explanations to relatives [repeated ad nauseum] that if she ate xxx, the food would make her very sick. Explaining isn't frustrating, but having gramma nod in agreement while handing DD an orange slice, used to raise my blood pressure. I finally accepted that gramma and a few others were not/never going to consider DD's needs. So it may have been unfamilial, but I taught DD to eat and drink absolutely nothing that I hadn't okayed first. Was it easy? No. Was it worth it? Yes. Did she ever take medicants? No. Did I consider medicines? Sure, especially if she had been up every two hours all night, and the teacher complained that she couldn't sit still for the whole lesson [ah, by that time *I* knew she could sit for almost an hour], and I had spent four hours at the grocery reading labels, and the dogs were trying hide under the sofa so she wouldn't chase them...

Being the parent of an ADHD child is not easy. Being the child is more difficult. So, control the diet and provide plenty of opportunities for activity. Praise the child for every success in learning to sit still; and be prepared to explain [ad infinitum] to adults that: certain food/drinks are forbidden without exception; a 5-minute run should be allowed once an hour; swinging legs while sitting does not interfere with the brain's capability to learn; and that being active is far better for the child's development than watching TV or playing computer games. And be prepared for them to forget, not understand, or otherwise think/imply/say that you are wrong. Your reward will come in a decade as others see your intelligent, polite, considerate, responsible child mature into an adult that is a true pleasure to know.
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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Meldy,

Sounds like this issue hits close to home for you. I am sorry it was a long, hard road. I fully understand and completely agree with teaching along the way. I fully understand and completely agree you can't control others who have influcence. What am I to do in the meantime? He's a fine young boy and he'll be a fine man some day. What am I to do until he learns how to sit still in class?
meldy_nva
16 years ago
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Love him for what he is and for what he CAN do. Not sitting still in class is not the end of the world. Actually, it's not very important at all. What IS important is that he understand that he should not do anything to interrupt the teacher or to distract the students.

Most 6, 7, and 8-year olds can't sit still for extended periods -- and I mean non-ADHD kids wriggle and squirm and swing their feet, and look around the room or out the window, pass notes, and whisper to each other. That's all normal. A misery for the teachers, but normal.

However, an amazing transformation begins to take place at about age nine. Suddenly all those disparate bits of info the teacher keeps tossing at them begin to join into interesting units, which makes it much easier to pay attention to what s/he is saying. At the same time, their emotional and physical age is beginning to catch up to their intellectual age which also makes it easier to -- throw and catch a ball, play jumprope and hopscotch, pencil elaborate and detailed drawings, not pass notes, and sit for long periods without moving. A clue is often found at the movies: if the movie is good and the child sits still and engrossed then the child is also capable of sitting still even when not engrossed.

For right now, let's not expect a robot, but let's do expect socially acceptable behavior. It's okay to quietly swing a foot back and forth; it is not okay to kick the chair or snap fingers or whisper to the kid beside you while the teacher is talking. Sigh, if he's like DD, all the details will be itemized (how about if I tap my toes? wriggle my fingers? etc etc).

And that reminds me, you need to find out *exactly* what the school's expectations are in the way of acceptable behavior. Because when all is said and done, it is possible that the teacher's expectations are not quite in synch with the school's experience, and that occurrance can cause everyone unneeded stress. And yes, it's also possible is that our darlings are little brats who are driving our educators up the wall with distracting behaviors... but frankly I've never met a brat with an 'off switch' -- if he is okay at home, in the store, in your place of worship, and while visiting friends, then it's highly unlikely he is not okay while at school. Unlike some adults, young children behave pretty much the same regardless of where they are. If our darling is running up and down the aisles at the store, then yep, s/he is probably also running up and down the school hallways; if darling constantly interrupts you and other adults, that habit is going to carry over into the classroom. However, if our darling is courteous [or at least basically polite) with his friends, then that same courtesy is going to be exhibited with classmates.

Keep in mind that ADHD does not exhibit in only a single location. If the child is so severely distractible and/or hyperactive that medicating is truly required, then you will see that distractibility and hyperactivity at home as well as at school.

Boredom is an entirely different issue even though it exhibits many of the same or similar symptoms as is commonly thought to be ADHD. Boredom, like sitting quietly during a long sermon, must be endured to some extent. The brighter the child, the sooner s/he must learn to endure. I never said otherwise to DD: there are times when we have no choice but sit and wait whether it's for a doctor, for dinner to be served, or for the teacher to help another child. It is not acceptable to make a scene in any of those cases. However, a pocket dictionary can be a big help.
rob333 (zone 7b)
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16 years ago
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I think what would be helpful is to see what you can and cannot control in the situation. As for what I can do, I do. These things are controllable:

1) Love him for what he is and for what he CAN do. check

2) understand that he should not do anything to interrupt the teacher or to distract the students. check

3) However, an amazing transformation begins to take place at about age nine. check (he's eight and I'm waiting it out a couple of years, so close)

3) let's not expect a robot, but let's do expect socially acceptable behavior. check and check

4) find out *exactly* what the school's expectations are in the way of acceptable behavior. Because when all is said and done, it is possible that the teacher's expectations are not quite in synch with the school's experience, and that occurrance can cause everyone unneeded stress. check.

...Add to that, Metro-Nashville's policies and expectations. He's a special needs child with help from the government with materials and classes, ENCORE

5) Boredom is an entirely different issue even though it exhibits many of the same or similar symptoms as is commonly thought to be ADHD. check Regardless of the cause, the symptom is being treated and it works.

6) sitting quietly during a long sermon, must be endured to some extent. check

7) The brighter the child, the sooner s/he must learn to endure. check

8) It is not acceptable to make a scene in any of those cases. check

9) However, a pocket dictionary can be a big help. sort of. Active children often have waiting as their problem. I've taught him to live in the moment, not waiting: "Take in the surroundings, enjoy what you're seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling." Learn to live in the moment. So hard for little active minds, but it's even better than yoga.

Sounds like I'm on track and have been for years. Where you and I (and the school system) depart from what you're saying, and what is not controllable the part with which I need help:

"Not sitting still in class is not the end of the world. Actually, it's not very important at all... Most 6, 7, and 8-year olds can't sit still for extended periods -- and I mean non-ADHD kids wriggle and squirm and swing their feet, and look around the room or out the window, pass notes, and whisper to each other. That's all normal. A misery for the teachers, but normal. A clue is often found at the movies: if the movie is good and the child sits still and engrossed then the child is also capable of sitting still even when not engrossed. It's okay to quietly swing a foot back and forth; it is not okay to kick the chair or snap fingers or whisper to the kid beside you while the teacher is talking. Sigh, if he's like DD, all the details will be itemized (how about if I tap my toes? wriggle my fingers? etc etc)"

What say you to this? Not all classroom materials are as engrossing as a good movie. His teachers are the ones to make the distinctions over what is right and isn't in their own classroom. I cannot control this, nor can anyone else. How do you meet them in the middle? I assume you're not going to answer this as you've danced around the issue. You have great advice. What is the last piece of the puzzle???
meldy_nva
16 years ago
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Please forgive my delay is responding. Ive been ill, and am just now catching up on all the things that didnÂt get done while I was in bed. I had actually started this reply, just before I went down for the count.

Sorry, I didn't mean to dance. And I canÂt really offer advice, but help yourself to whatever you can use that I've learned from living with DD.

BTW, the duration of attention along with the physical movement evidenced during an enjoyable activity is a clue to the appropriateness of the ADHD label. A truly hyperactive child is not going to be Âor even nearly be- inactive regardless of being engrossed. And a child with true attention deficit is not going to be able to focus for long periods of time no matter how fascinating the topic is to him/her. However, impulsiveness is often included in the criteria for ADD, and engrossed attention span is not relative.

You are absolutely right, we cannot control the teachersÂ determination of un/acceptable behavior. We also canÂt control the kids running up and down the aisles in the grocery. What we CAN influence [not control, at least not once they are past toddlerhood] is the behavior of our own child. This is extremely difficult with a toddler, but it becomes easier as age and experience mature the child into comprehending that there are societal rules and expectations which may not be likeable or convenient, but we follow them anyway. i.e., We try to nurture the childÂs instinctive desire for acceptance by encouraging socially acceptable behavior.

Most school districts have very distinct and definitive codes of behavior required of both student and teacher. If a teacher is saying that a child is in opposition to the school's code, there should be clear examples of the infraction/s. And let me say first what we all know: there exist teachers who are themselves are the ones causing the problem Â and that said, you can probably eliminate "teacher-as-Source-Of-Problem" with a few conversations with the parents of other students because SOP's do indeed have a reputation. (Of all the literally hundreds of teachers I have known and worked with, only 2 might be considered SOP; although some were not particularly likeable people.) IMO, not liking your teacher is not an acceptable reason for misbehavior -- the world is full of unlikeable people and, sooner or later, we are going to have to work with them. IÂve found that within the classroom "trouble" is not usually a major malfeasance, but an accumulation of minor transgressions that pushes the teacher into non-tolerance. Without knowing precisely what the trouble is, I wouldnÂt want to guess what caused it, and without knowing the cause, no one is likely to find a cure. As I told one teacher, "Do not tell me [DD] is in trouble. Do tell me precisely what events occurred so that we can try to understand why this happened, and then remediate the cause."

One thing to consider is that the consistently courteous child is rarely the one who aggravates the teacher. That is simply because politeness is not compatible with irritation, and teachers are highly susceptible to courtesy. OTOH, if said child IS consistently polite but is also exhibiting unusual attention-getting behaviors, the reason needs to be determined and addressed -- and the reason might be as simple as copying someone else's behavior [an idol or a friend] or as complicated as an overwhelming insecurity due to life events.
rob333 (zone 7b)
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I hope you feel much better soon! I appreciate your answers.

Teachers in preschool aggravated the problem. Heck, they were 3/4 of the problem. But they're not trained (at least not here) the same as other teachers. His kindergarten teacher wasn't very specific with her direction and suffered because she really couldn't describe what we could do to ameliorate the situation. All of the rest of his other teachers have been above and beyond resourceful. So, a mixed bag there. I can most assuredly reassure you, my ultimately courteous child (says please, thank you, stays in his seat, walks inside when other kids run, follows directions, respectful to adults and friends, 95% of the time. It's that 5% that's getting him) aggravates the teacher. He just cannot stand to sit and wait, that's what makes him act out. It's better than other years, and will get better. For now waiting is his biggest problem. Not sure he'll ever really excel at it, since the majority of adults get frustrated with waiting.

Guess that's what I'll be doing... waiting. In the meantime, I'll just keep on with what is working while hoping his 95% gets to 98% by year end and next year be 99%.

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rob333 (zone 7b)
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rob333 (zone 7b)
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rob333 (zone 7b)
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rob333 (zone 7b)
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rob333 (zone 7b)
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