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Comments (6)I grow PHM on the North wall, so he should not have an issue with it. The caution though, PHM is a big rose. And by that, I mean it, as I am going to try and sort out a mess of its 6 meter long canes and 3 meter long laterals (he is still 3 year old baby btw). x) You also need a moisture for its scent, so if you climate is very dry, he probably won't have any smell - but in the moist air, it drifts across the garden with ease. Gertrude Jekyll I don't know about, Gloire de Dijon might not look that nice color wise, as PHM is pink and GdD is orangey-peach (shade tolerant though). Also it is a bit leggy and aparently has issues when grown own root, not grafted. The scent of GdD is very lovely though. If you like musk scent, why not to try one of the other hybrid musks in the middle? Most of them rebloom....See MoreThe Musk Austin Roses
Comments (5)I don't know how Mr. Austin came up with these classifications. His Musk rose group is a bit difficult to understand based on the breeding of the roses in the group where it is available. I don't see a lot of Rosa Moschata, or Hybrid Musk for that matter in their breeding. Of the roses you list, I have grown a number and find that with one or two exceptions, most of them are too tender for my climate. I live in Eastern Ontario about 80 kms North of Kingston. The ones that I have trialed here and that are now gone due to lack of cold hardiness include: Graham Thomas, Molineux, and Pegasus. Charlotte is gone, because she did not bloom well and the flowers there were did not open well in the humidity. I can't remember how well she did with respect to winter hardiness, but note she gets only a good member rating for cold hardiness on HMF and is again grown in a number of zone 4 and 5 gardens. The ones that remain, but struggle are Jayne Austin and Heritage. Evelyn is not all that hardy, but vigorous enough to come back year after year and perform quite well, though quite susceptible to rust in my garden. The one outstanding member for health, vigour and cold hardiness in this group is The Crocus Rose. One of the hardiest Austin yellows, and super vigorous and bushy. She would make a fine hedge rose in a climate slightly warmer than mine. Queen of Sweden, I have not trialed, but I see on Help Me Find Roses that she gets 4 Excellent member ratings for cold hardiness and is grown in such zone 4 and 5 climates in Russia, the Czech Republic, Colorado and Illinois, so perhaps she is worth a try in your zone. Interestingly, Charlotte is one of her parents and Charlotte does have both Rugosa and Gallica close up in its breeding line which often imparts a little extra cold hardiness. Hope this helps a little. Cheers, RRL...See MoreStarry white roses, Musk, Noisettes and such
Comments (26)Thank you so much Jeannie -- We live not far from the water but up on a hill not too far from the Verazzano Narrows. I so feel sorry for the poor people in Staten Island and on the Jersey and Long Island barrier islands who lost everything. And also downtown Manhattan. The darkened skyline was so very sad looking, when we walked down to the pier to look. It reminded me of 9/11. There was noticeable debris -- chairs, and wooden boards washed up on the rocks, but people were fishing and jogging unconcernedly. Another walk -- to Sunset Park in the other direction --revealed the same unearthly sight of a darkened skyline and Statue of Liberty. But even there there were children on swings, as usual. Nor was Halloween affected. For our part, we didn't lose power and our basement miraculously didn't flood. We had cleaned out the gutters, filled the bath tub, made chili and brownies and brought the houseplants plants inside. My shrubs and perennials in containers (many slated to be gifts for friends) stayed outside and weren't affected. An exception was my little plastic greenhouse that blew up to the top of the retaining wall, despite the cement block I had put in it to keep it down. Otherwise, our garden, an eternal work in progress, appreciated the rain very much. Starting Tuesday, Verizon took away our cell-phone and internet for 48 hours. I suppose they needed the interchanges for other people. And there is no gas -- it was like a zombie movie. But one doesn't need a car here. For the most part it was not the wind but the tidal surge in low areas and then the gas shortage that have been disruptive. The gas stations are still closed, but most subway lines are running. There is a nip in the air, though, and tomorrow we are going to have another storm....See MoreIs Shakespeares' Musk; R. moschata or R. arvensis? Please vote.
Comments (27)Ann in an earlier post asked some questions that haven't been addressed so I might give that a feeble bash... I think all the plants mentioned are alright except for the oxlips, they are I think out of step, as I'm not sure you would see them in flower after May month... ...but I'm not convinced they need to be blooming, just they exist and thrive there, but surely it's poetic license all round isn't it? considering it's a Greek play, and the immortal verse places this wooded bank near Athens, - Athenian Titania sleeps there, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't find oxlips in southern Europe. The rest you could though, and if the bank was exclusively Greek, then I would favour R. moschata for the musk roses, but I think it must have been written to relate to an English audience and his own experience of musky roses I suppose would be R. arvensis, or howsoever he knew that rose... I know a bank where the wild thyme blows, Where oxlips and the nodding violet grows, Quite over-canopied with luscious woodbine, With sweet musk-roses and with eglantine. There sleeps Titania sometime of the night, Lull'd in these flowers with dances and delight.. ..does this make any sense or should I go back to sleep?......See Moreelemire
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