The Summer Garden - A Little Short of Roses
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
12 years ago
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CA gardeners: Recommendations for No/Low summer water roses
Comments (10)Hello, How close to the ocean is your garden? and what is the average day temperature during summer? With no water at all for 3-4 months in summer during our annual California seasonal drought, band sized and many gallon sized plants might die from lack of water if planted right away in your dry garden. Where day temps are more often in the 80's and higher, I would go with Ramblers which the East Bay park department says are drought tolerant in our area, and species and species hybrids. For 20 and more years, in the woodland acreage at the Morcom amphitheatre of roses, in Oaklland , Califorornia grow many R. brunonni outside of the irrigation system, ( many are seedlings from a mother plant) a few R. moschata, and many Banksiae., as well as Alberic Barbier, all do fine with no water at all during our annual summer drought which lasts 3-4 months each year. I volunteered at that park and made a cultiver and rose species database in the late 1900's(crikey that makes me sound old) and early 2000's. Large trees shade these roses for 4-6 hours out of the day, but all but those in the deepest shade bloom normally. My 'Albertine' was lost when moving and found months later crammed between several pots, with no water, and it lived and thrived. Because so many of the Rambler roses are species hybrids, and said to be drought tolerant, here, I would try the re-blooming rose 'Mermaid' in a dry garden after it had grown to be 5-6 feet tall. It reblooms very well and is gorgeous. I imagine a dry hillside planted with Mermaid, with a few Veilchenbleu , Kiftgate, Silver Moon, R. laevigata, Alberic Barbier, Susan Louise and other R. gigantea hybrids. R.californica transplanted after their roots are 3 feet long, or more. . If I never intended to water them. I might plant Califorinia lilac, ceanothus as mounds for the ramblers to ramble over. If I watered deeply once a month as Gregg does, I'd try the same with the largest cultivars of Old Garden Tea roses, and a few Tea-Noisettes. Tea roses seem to be common among the found roses in warm climates, where live and bloom without being watered during summer, in California and the Southern States. I believe that any of the huge roses R. gigantea , for instance, may be drought tolerant to an extent because of the depth to which their roots reach. R. palustris is said to be drought tolerant as well as wet tolerant, and it has a long bloom cycle too. A row of Susan Louise could provide more shade if needed, it is a gorgeous plant, grown on the ground or as a tree shaped rosebush with the lower canes removed. I would add R. californica, I rarely remember to water mine and it is glorious. It grows to be more than 13 feet tall and has a big bloom cycle in June and scattered bloom of c. 15% for 4+ months after wards, I find that the scent of its leaves has an affect of aromatherapy. The eglantine Meg Merrilees has the strongest foliage scent of any of the eglantine hybrids I've smelled, as good as the species. R. primula would be a treat by the edge of a pathway, for its incense scented leaves. Alba Semi Plena is also reported to be drought tolerant where summer temps average in the 70's F. I spoke to a woman at the Old Rose celebration who told me of a large 'Anna Olivier' growing by a highway near Santa Cruz, California. I'd try growing a large plant in a low-water zone. I've documented a 'Grandmothers Hat' and 'Alliance Franco-Russe' both mature plants, in abandoned gardens in Oakland, where they received no water from a hose nor rain for 3-4 months out of the year, for 10 years (g.hat) and 5 years (the Old Garden Tea). the grandmothers hat is a climber of c. 12 feet tall, and growing up a fir tree, the alliance f.russe was c. 8 feet in each direction the last time I visited it. I hope you can use some of this info. Good Luck, Lux...See MoreLittle Girl Rose Garden
Comments (14)Here are some that I grow that might fit the bill. However, I can't say much about their blackspot resistance because that is only rarely seen in my area. Polly Sunshine. A VERY cheerful bright yellow little polyantha bred by Ralph Moore. Mine is growing in a pot and flowers a lot. Lots of petals, old fashioned look. Little scent. http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.23670.1&tab=36 Golden Border. Technically a floribunda but looks like a polyantha to me. Grows as a small, vase-shaped plant. Absolutely lovely mid to light yellow cupped flowers. Fragrant and nearly thornless. Prolific bloomer. Said to be disease resistant but it is new to the USA. Angel Gardens in Florida has recently imported it. Happy Child. A very pretty small Austin with intense yellow flowers. Excellent scent. No problems here, but my friend in Arkansas who has had it less than a year said it is highly susceptible to blackspot in her garden.:( http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.1877&tab=36 Cassie/Snowbelt. Really a wonderful little rose here. A polyantha. Flowers look white but actually open a very pale yellow and rapidly turn white. Tiny flowers scented of honey. Few thorns. A blooming fool! Mine flowers here 12 months of the year with next to no feeding. Bushy, with leaves and flowers all the way to the ground. Flowers have a yellow eye, so the overall appearance from a distance is white but up close is of a yellow and white color combination, http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.16752.1&tab=36 Others that you might want to consider that I don't have (yet!): Limoncello (http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.58059) and Topaz (a rare yellow polyantha that is really hard to find--Greenmantle does grow it but I haven't been lucky enough to contact her when it's in stock). No pics of Topaz on HMF, sorry. Melissa Here is a link that might be useful: Golden Border on HMF...See Moreshort groundcover for summer dry/winter wet
Comments (8)I have no idea about the winter wet but am impressed with a ground cover I bought last year- 2 kinds of Acaena. There is a blue green form, A. saccaticulpula Blue Haze, that is more vigorous and a purple form, A inermis purpureum, that is much less vigorous. They are Stepables so you could see them on their website, which may also have searches for your conditions. They are on level ground in heavy clay so may be good in wet? The blue green one is covered with seed stalks now so I may be able to spread it a lot. It is related to Salad Burnet, which has enormous potential to self-seed, but I'm not worried as it looks like the ground cover I've been wanting to suppress weeds in my beds but be compatible with my roses. I also have Baby Blue Eyes, I believe Isotoma, in a low bed by my driveway that may be very wet in winter and dry in summer, and it does well. It is dormant in the winter. A ground cover that will do very well in wet conditions but not so good for the dry part is Hot Tuna, Houttuynia cordata. It has variegated leaves but goes dormant in winter....See MoreS'more roses and a little garden art ...
Comments (13)Kathy, when thrips move in they do mess up the pristine beauty of roses, but I think it'll get better if we don't try to use insecticides (which don't help much anyway) and give the beneficial insects time to eat 'um up. Indu, thanks! The roses by the rustic bird house are Valentines, which along with the Knockouts, are among the most prolific blooming varieties that I grow. Incidentally, Valentine will grow as a short climber if they have something to lean on. My neighbor Georgianne has one planted against the trunk of a tree and it's gorgeous. I need to get a picture of her's sometime. It's nice that Valentines are nearly thornless as opposed to Knockout's thorny canes....See Moreroselee z8b S.W. Texas
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