"I did not waste my money on mail order junk..." "It may be fine out in the country, and that's all well and good for those of you who can have them ... you can certainly have more greenhouse space for less money than I can ... but in some settings, frankly, it just doesn't fly." Judgmental! Lets look at post from others that own the HFGH. ________________________________________________- CONCERNING HFGH PARTS: "gardenerwantabe (My Page) on Fri, Sep 22, 06 at 8:45 Yea the price is what suckered me into buying them. Now I get to throw away these worthless P.O.S. and buy some good ones." _______________________________________________ CONCERNING MODIFICATIONS TO HFGH: "by gardenerwantabe (My Page) on Fri, Sep 22, 06 at 18:58 Molly Did you read the posts on this forum about the modifications that is required to make the 10x12 HFGH survive in a thunderstorm. If you don't do these mods you will lose it." ___________________________________________________ LET"S LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER AT JUDGEMENTAL SHALL WE: "by gardenerwantabe (My Page) on Sun, Sep 24, 06 at 17:10 I hate to bust your bubble but a hoop house covered with the plastic is nowhere near as strong or durable as polycarbonate. The wind will tear it and the sun will destroy it in two or three years. Replacing the plastic film is a never ending job and you will soon spend more than what it would have cost to buy a GH with polycarbonate panels. All you got to do to convince yourself of this is look at the warranty on both types." ________________________________________________ AND: "by gardenerwantabe (My Page) on Mon, Sep 25, 06 at 13:44 Please share with us where you bought this miracle plastic. What is the name of the manufacture. I'm sure people would like to know where they can find a plastic that will last 4 times longer than anything else on the market." __________________________________________________ A beautiful thing that requires so much modification to keep it intact, and parts that are (to borrow a quote from another post) "POS" are not only in my opinion junk, the Wall Street Journal thinks so also. You will find the link to their story in a earlier post above. Everyone should read it. Yes, some would not find a hoophouse an aesthetic contribution, but many do. They are also featured on television home improvement shows in surburan settings in back yards of 200,000.00 homes, and look quite good there. LASTLY LETS LOOK CLOSER AT AN EARLIER POST OF MINE: "Best of luck to you. Bottom line is enjoying our greenhouses, isn't that right." This forum should be named "SUPPORT YOUR HFGH" Postive, comments welcome: Negetive, comments go elsewhere. WILL DO SO GLADLY

Ceramic tile is known to do stuff like this (tenting) because it is slightly porous. Porcelain tile has LESS chance of tenting because its porosity is extremely low - almost impervious to moisture. It is much lower than ceramic. And yes, it can take as much as 10 years for a "bad" install to show itself in wet conditions. It can take that long to get the tile so wet that it's expansion is so great it breaks the bond of the adhesive. And yes...cut back adhesive is a poor substrate to bond to (for the Original Poster). Both of these photos (OP and andreadell79) are complete redos. Once a section starts to tent, you have to assume the WHOLE THING is going to go to he!! in a hand basket. Sorry but these are complete redos.

Carol, It sounds like you and I are planting in the same style---sticking plants in the ground whenever it finally is dry enough that maybe they won't suffer too much from waterlogged roots. I have a lot of peppers in the ground, but still have habaneros, serranos, one Anaheim, cayenne and something else I cannot remember waiting for a little spot of drier soil. This really is starting to feel like 2004 or 2007 all over again and I had plants in June both years still waiting for the ground to dry out enough for me to put them out there somewhere in the garden. I also have about six dozen ornamental peppers that are still smallish. I'm not in a big hurry with them. Every year when the ornamental pepper plants hit the stores ,practically full-sized and covered with peppers, in June or July, I wish I had some of them. You know that I won't buy them when I know that I can raise my own, saying to myself every time "I could buy one packet of seeds and raise 30 plants for what they want for that one ornamental pepper plant." It happens every year and I ask myself why I didn't plant some (or more) ornamental pepper seeds, knowing I'd want them in summer. So this year, I raised my own---probably 5 or 6 or 7 varieties of ornamental pepper plants. I am going to pot them up into larger cups of soil-less mix on these rainy, dreary days and let them grow on, in flats sitting on a table near the patio, for a few more weeks. When the ornamental pepper plants hit the stores in hot weather, I'll have my own supply right here and can tuck them into spots in the garden where cool season plants had been growing or where excess water has killed something or whatever. Bon, Yay! I'm glad you got to do some work in the yard and get something in the ground. Any day I get to play in the dirt (even when it is mud) is a good day. It rained on and off all evening, and of course we have new mud and new puddles, but we only got 1.2" so the garden pathways shouldn't be so wet that I cannot venture into the garden. I'm hoping to at least get some weeding done, especially along the fence lines where the weeds and grasses get tall and try to creep under the fence and into the garden. I find it hard to weed the fencelines once snake season starts, and technically it has started, but I wouldn't expect snakes to be out and active on a cool, rainy morning with temperatures in the 60s. This ought to be my chance to clear out the garden's fence lines. I can tolerate just about any amount of rainfall, knowing the rain is so beneficial in so many ways, but when it falls too heavily as tomatoes ripen up and it waters down their flavor, I get cranky. I don't have much hope for the tomatoes we'll harvest in May. Their flavor is likely to be watered down significantly, but maybe the ones we harvest in June will be better. It is the luck of the draw. I'd rather have rain than not have it, but it is hard on the garden when it is too much at once. I still can make salsa with the tomatoes even if they are too bland to be very enjoyable for fresh eating since the tomato flavor is just the base flavor and the stronger flavors of the onions, peppers, garlic, etc. dominate the tomato flavor in the salsa anyway. My bean plants are having a great spring. They are too wet and the water logging of their roots (even though they are in raised beds) is causing a lot of yellow leaves, but they are covered in blossoms and small beans so at least they are having a great spring in the excessive rainfall. I'd rather deal with bean rust than spider mites any day of the week, and that is the difference in a wet spring and a dry spring. Dawn

"Capitalism needs government to work." Only to provide a legal framework. "Government needs to oversee products & services which are sold to the public." Really? Everything? I just bought a couple of lights from Amazon. Did/should the government oversee them? No. "For example, defective equipment liabilities..." That's why we have a legal framework that allows person who are harmed to take action against those who harm them. "The government should keep the relationship between consumers & businesses fair to keep consumers". Ah, the old "fair" argument. Is it fair to keep Uber from competing against the taxi monopoly? How about preventing foreign airlines from competing against domestic ones? Granting Comcast a monopoly? Governments are preventing housing production thereby driving up housing costs; "fair"? Warren wants to drive the health insurance industry out of business; is that "fair"? "tax break incentives for businesses who manufacture quality appliances which last longer." Whose going to define "quality"? "Last longer" than what? Bernie Sanders is going to sit in his office and define "quality" and "last longer" for thousands of appliances models? What's the difference between this and Soviet-style central planning? "tax break to consumers who bought the appliances that last longer" So you also want the government to give tax breaks to people who buy products the government approves? You want to Elizabeth Warren to decide what YOU buy? When it's tax time, do you want to have to drag out all your receipts to see if you get a tax break? Isn't the mortgage tax deduction and all the other crap in the tax code enough?