--> "Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has a right to, but himself. " How interesting, I was just talking to someone about that today! Freaky coincidink --> "One of the things I like about this place is that more people 'own themselves' than some groups of people you might find. I appreciate that." That is quite true and profound actually. Nice thought!

Thanks Don. I just celebrated my father's life yesterday.

West, I think it's against the law to throw them out, one must pass those tonkas along. (((wink, wink))) Great, well made, aren't they? Gabriell, I saw those when I was trying to figure out what to do with them. It seems like it was last year at some point and I saved the idea and the books just in case I felt like doing it sometime. I'm just sure I learned about it on GardenWeb; most likely on the junk forum. Amazing what people see when they look at objects. Wish I had that gene! I'd even give up 1/2 of my energy gene for it.

I'd like to add a picture of my tomatoes too... I have 12 tomatoes in the ground: opalka, yellow pear, chocolate cherry, sweet 100, cherokee chocolate, kbx, cowlick's brandywine, big zac, box car willie, dr wyche's yellow, omar's lebanese and nar. as you can see, i've placed them in cages... do i still have to provide stakes for them or is the cage enough as a support? if i do have to provide a stake, which variety should i stake, or do i have to stake all of them? it'd be nice to know this early so i could provide the necessary stake support before they become bigger. also, which ones usually goes higher than 5'? i know yellow pear, chocolate cherry and sweet 100 does... how about the others? i only have a 5' cage, do i have to top them off when the time comes? thanks for any advice you can give, i'd greatly appreciate it.