What fruit trees will grow well in pure clay soil?
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Comments (16)Bananas is right about keeping the soil strata as it is. If you don't have a terrible drainage problem your trees will be fine. I've seen commercial apple orchards in clay soil where in early spring the water just sits on the surface, but by the time trees begin leafing out they find enough oxygen for very vigorous growth. I used such an orchard as a nursery site to grow bearing age trees after making a deal with the grower. The trees grew great. If other species of trees (not willows!) are growing well in this soil, I'm sure you're fine, if not, run with berns made from existing soil. Testing the drainage as mentioned is also a great guide line, but I wonder how the soil in the orchard-nursery I mentioned would have tested out....See MoreWhat to do with newly planted fruit trees in clay
Comments (10)If they are just coming out of dormancy they've spent very little energy and roots are just beginning to grow. You can safely move them NOW! That drainage technique can't be what saved Dunca's trees IMO. They couldn't adequately pull water away, according to anything I've read on the issue. You need at least a French or curtain drain that pulls the water down hill to create affective drainage- there's a reason that the simplest method is consistently determined to be raised beds by anyone who spends their lives playing in soil. You may or may not benefit with some kind of amending but if you try to improve your soil best to stick with the top 4-6 inches by blending your native soil with black humus-like compost. You need to do this in a fairly wide area- at least a 5' diameter circle for each tree. If it's a raised bed, the entire bed's top 4-6" should be treated. This is not the same as pouring amendments down a planting hole and requires at least a quarter cubic yard of compost per tree to get any results. Remember to keep the improved soil on top and spread some of your trees roots in it as well as the pure clay beneath when you transplant. Mulch when done with 3-4" of arborist wood chips (for free). The idea that you can't improve clay with amendments is a confusion of research in my opinion. Adding some compost on top only speeds the process that is started by adding mulch anyway- the question is, is it worth the effort. Clay doesn't mix easy. It is worth the effort if the trees will otherwise languish- it all depends on the nature of your clay and how other trees are growing in it. The research saying amendments are futile is about dumping compost in the planting hole- at least the research I'm aware of....See Morefruit trees and clay soil
Comments (2)One way to get around the problem of poorly draining sub-soil is to make berms where you want to plant. It is a pain to do, to find clean topsoil, and to make SURE that what you ordered is what you got, as well as getting/renting a Bobcat (or equivalent) to spread it all out evenly, but making shallow, sloping mounds (up to 3-4' high at the centers, more usually 12-18", and as wide and long as you want in your yard - hopefully winding in gentle curves, to give interest to a possibly flat yard), over the area you want to plant trees/shrubs, as well as mixing in perennials, will give the needed drainage, and give the trees enough room for roots to spread as needed, without needing to go straight into the heavy clay. Roots will eventually go into the clay, but enough roots will be in the lighter stuff that the trees (or shrubs) should do just fine. Mulching over the whole area will also help - keeps the soil more evenly moist, keeps it cooler, and keeps grass and weed root competition down, as well as keeping string trimmers and waywrd lawn-mowers away from vulnerable trunks. That said, I think I would still stay away from the plants that are VERY drought tolerant or that NEED dry feet and great drainage - lavender comes to mind, as a shrub exemplar....See MoreVeggies/Fruit that do well in red clay
Comments (2)I can't think of any edible plant that enjoys solid red clay. Is your garden just a red clay based soil or is it solid sticky clay? Can you shovel it and open it up? Very few plants grow in solid clay but a lot of veggies grow in red clay based garden soil. The herbs will want dry and gravel-y conditions in full sun. They don't like rich moist soil - well, except for basil and mints.. I would put your oregano and thyme in large pots rather than in the ground if you have clay soil. They need extra drainage and besides the oregano tends to take over the world. Don't expect the thyme to last forever, they tend to flourish and then die so you always have to start new plants or buy some every other year or so and they always do better in pots for me. The garlic needs the same winter hours that a tulip bulb does in order to grow properly so you should have planted it in the fall. If you don't get it soon I guess you could plant it but I wouldn't expect full sized bulbs this first year. In the fall you would need to replant them after breaking up the bulbs into individual cloves. Cilantro is also a cool weather herb around here so I wouldn't give it a prime spot in the garden because once it gets hot it will disappear. Collect seeds and start them early next spring. I would think about planting all the veggies that produce edible roots or tubers in the deepest ammended soil and plant the above ground plants in the less ammended soil. Carrots and taters and such need looser soil to fill out so they might struggle in hard clay. You can always mound up better soil on top of your clay soil - much easier than digging everything out....See Moregoodground
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