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Leave clear solarizing plastic on beds?
Comments (3)Wayne Yes, from all I've read, the thinner the clear plastic, the more effective it is at solarizing. And the quicker it deteriorates. Of course, the problem with solarizing is that to be really effective, it should be done when it's hottest, usually the time when heat-loving plants are just beginning to produce and you want the space for them. I agree that solarizing won't destroy the root system of this dratted bindweed, but if I can just prevent it from sending out its vines among the vegetables and strangling my plants, that would be a plus. Thus, my wondering about whether I could leave it in place. jwstell42 Melons in particular seem to do well if grown with black plastic, even in Georgia summers. They and a few other vegetables really thrive in this kind of heat. But clear plastic generates much more heat than black plastic, and this is my concern. Unless somebody tells me they've tried it and it ruined their plants, I may put down the clear plastic to solarize the soil as much as possible, and with a 4 mil-thickness that may not be a lot for 4-5 weeks, and then plant through it, and finally cover the clear plastic with leaves so the soil remains at reasonable temperatures....See MoreNew garden bed - Round up to kill the grass ok?
Comments (35)I really should take the high road. I should. I personally hate the company, but the product is useful. A perfect world it is not. Since everyone else seems averse to actually posting links I will do a few for those interested in the toxicology of Round Up. You will see wild claims but rarely in a scientific white paper by a credentialed professional in the matter. I personally fight for organics and sustainability. I purchase organic food when I can't grow enough of my own, I don't buy or eat feed lot beef etc. Here are some great links First I like Wiki- Sources are noted, and where they are not noted for statements you will seethe (citations needed) instead of the resource number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/03/roundup-is-safe.html "TOXICITY REVIEW Acute (Mammalian) Glyphosate has reported oral LD5Os of 4,320 and 5,600 mg/kg in male and female rats (15,4). The oral LD5Os of the two major glyphosate products Rodeo and Roundup are 5,000 and 5,400 mg/kg in the rat (15). A dermal LD5O of 7,940 mg/kg has been determined in rabbits (15,4). There are reports of mild dermal irritation in rabbits (6), moderate eye irritation in rabbits (7), and possible phototoxicity in humans (9). The product involved in the phototoxicity study was Tumbleweed marketed by Murphys Limited UK (9). Maibach (1986) investigated the irritant and the photo irritant responses in individuals exposed to Roundup (41% glyphosate, water, and surfactant); Pinesol liquid, Johnson Baby Shampoo, and Ivory Liquid dishwashing detergent. The conclusion drawn was that glyphosate has less irritant potential than the Pinesol or the Ivory dishwashing liquid (120). Metabolism Elimination of glyphosate is rapid and very little of the material is metabolized (6,106). Subchronic/Chronic Studies (Mammalian) In subchronic tests, glyphosate was administered in the diet to dogs and rats at 200, 600, and 2,000 ppm for 90 days. A variety of toxicological endpoints were evaluated with no significant abnormalities reported (15,10). In other subchronic tests, rats received 0, 1,000, 5,000, or 20,000 ppm (57, 286, 1143 mg/kg) in the diet for 3 months. The no observable adverse effect level (NOAEL) was 20,000 ppm (1,143 mg/kg) (115). In the one year oral dog study, dogs received 20, 100, and 500 mg/kg/day. The no observable effect level (NOEL) was 500 mg/kg (116)." http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/glyphosa.htm The theme here is. Don't ingest it. (would you ingest fish fertilizer? I got food poisoning from it once as a kid because I didn't wash my hands after handling...not pleasant) Again Don't drink it, don't spray it in your eyes, don't Walk around barefoot while it is wet or spray it on your skin. The best method is in a pump up sprayer on a calm day to minimize drift. I adjust the nozzle for a course spray, not atomizing the fluid like I would for foliar feeding. This prevents drift and forces the fluid to go on the target and not into the air where you can breath it, get it into your eyes or on your skin or have unintentional drift. Care when applying is all that is needed. Once the treatment area is dry it is safe to enter and work around. My occupation is a Safety Professional. By reviewing the MSDS if I was to have an employee applying this material for me I would require long pants and shoes and Rubber or other light chemical resistant gloves and goggles while pouring or transferring it but not necessarily for the application.. The reason I would recommend this is that is the recommendation of the msds http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenewals/documentsubmit/KellyData%5CNC%5Cpesticide%5CMSDS%5C74530%5C74530-4%5C74530-4_GLYPHOSATE_41__11_30_2006_4_57_38_PM.pdf And the fully formulated MSDS http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Monsanto-Roundup-MSDS-Docs7017.htm Recognizing, controlling protecting from and eliminating hazards are what I do for a living. I would follow the manufacturers instructions and recommend anyone do the same. To put this into perspective you will be exposed to between 100 and 200 PPM of benzene the next time you fill your fuel tank at the self service pump. If you can smell gas, you are being exposed. The Occupational action level where mitigation is required is 1 PPM. A person can apply round up and not be exposed to any substances listed as hazardous with a Threshold limit value by the American council if industrial hygienist or a Permissible exposure limit by OSHA. Get this. Alaska fish fertilizer has phosphoric acid that does have a PEL and TLV. http://www.growercentral.com/UPLOADS/PDFS/alaska%20fish%20fertilizer%205-1-1%20msds%20(02-05).pdf EMERGENCY OVERVIEW: Potential Health Effects: Primary Entry Routes: Eyes, skin, ingestion. Target Organs: Eyes, skin, gastrointestinal tract. Acute Effects: Eye: May cause irritation, redness and/or burning. Skin: May cause irritation, redness and/or burning. Ingestion: May be harmful if swallowed. May cause abdominal cramps, nausea, vomiting and/or diarrhea. Medical Conditions Aggravated by Long-Term Exposure: Persons with existing skin lesions should exercise caution when using or handling this product. Chronic Effects: Prolonged skin contact may cause dermatitis. I am not going to quit using Alaska Fish fertilizer either nor am I giving up fueling my vehicles. I would post opposing views but the first one I opened Had a Trojan horse so if you are going to be searching for counterpoints do not open The link from naturescountrystore.com!!! It's infected with a trojan horse....See MoreCreating new bed from grass
Comments (22)I dug up some St Augustine in the backyard. Healthy, thick SA will be tough to get a shovel through. The runners are like a qtr inch thick and resilient. Back there I used another brand that said it would kill the root, but in 2 weeks when I was digging it up, it was greening up again. With or without Round-up you will be digging, unless you just cover it and let it turn to compost which I'm sure takes some number of months. If you can't wait, dig in or after the rain or wet down the grass. It's easier then and less dirty. Now if you have someplace to move the grass to, don't treat it with R-U. I had an assembly line going. I'd take a shovelful of dirt out and replace it with an exact fit of the excavated sod. (Have clippers handy to cut the runners that the shovel doesn't get. Sometimes half your load will fall off - still connected to something.) Step on it, fill in the edges if necessary with dirt, and that's it. I think it all would have survived were it not for my grubs. The distance between locations is the killer. Those shovelfuls are heavy. Digging out the dead and dying grass is hard work. It holds a lot of dirt (sand), and you have to shake it out and toss it in the pile - which will be huge when you're done. The roots don't go particularly deep. Healthy grass roots are way less than a foot deep. Dying and dead are less. It's the runners that are the pain. They go over and under each other and can't be pulled lose or broken easily. They're like cables. Shoot for a time when the sun isn't on you - if you value your life. Drink plenty of Gatorade to replenish the electrolites & fluids you'll lose sweating. It's doable if done in junks, resting in between - even for a small person. Youth is on your side. I don't mean to make this sound like a trip to the gallows, but, gee, there are similarities. And I'll be doing the same thing in a few weeks - after I finish tiling my front porch. I have more plans & passion than brains. Here's to us, astphard! Sherry...See MoreCan I use clear plastic bins?
Comments (7)I have two small clear (plastic) bins for some of my worms. (Clear was not my first choice -- it was all I could find when I needed to start new bins). I keep both bins in the kitchen, on top of the refrigerator. Sometimes, when I add new food to the bins, some of the food is up against the side of the plastic, and I can easily see it through the bins. It's cool, because I can easily see when that food is gone. Contrary to what I expected, using clear bins hasn't been a problem, and the worms are doing very well. They are fat, healthy, and I assume happy. I seldom see them through the clear plastic, because they are in the middle of the bin. I do sometimes see them on or at the sides of the bin when I turn the lights on in the kitchen, but they move further into the bin fairly quickly. I have noticed a LOT of worm trails in the slight condensation that forms on the sides of the bin--evidence that they do come to the sides at night when it's dark--but I haven't had any escapees. So to answer your question, I think the worms are smart enough to stay away from the edges of a clear bin, and it's been my (rather surprising) experience that the clear bins are not a problem....See Moreborderbarb
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