I'll try. Only the top plant is large enough to perhaps bear any fruit this yr. Cut the smaller plant back severely and train the strongest shoot up a stake to try for fruit next yr. When that shoot reaches the top wire, pinch it back to get a shoot running in each direction. Those shoots, which grow this yr, will produce fruit next yr. So don't prune them off next winter. On the larger plant I cann't tell what is last yrs wood and what is older. Only last yrs wood will bear this yr. If you are going to get fruit this yr it will be on the shoot labeled B1. Cut off that bottom shoot going left. Also cut off the shoot just to the left of B1. It looks like older wood. Always cut off as much older wood as possible while leaving enough of last years wood to produce a crop. Now you are left with the B1 shoot that branches right and left. These canes are the one label C1 and above. If they are last yrs wood, they may fruit this yr. Cut off every side branch below C1. Keep one cane at C1 or higher going in each direction and see if they fruit. Each yr after this you will keep one cane going in each direction that grew the prior yr and cut off all other canes. This gives you a T shaped framework after pruning each yr. It's as simple as that. Your vines lack enough vigor to bear much fruit. They either need more water or more fertilizer, assuming they are getting enough light. The Fruitnut

They don't look like they are dying to me. Just look nitrogen deficient. That could be from over watering. If your soil is good, you shouldn't need to water more than once a week and once a month may give better fruit. Some water deficit increases the eating quality of grapes. They are the among the most drought tolerant fruit.

Thanks again - most of the roses in my garden are David Austin roses, along with some OGR - The flowers I believe someone was asking about in the 4th picture is Dame's Rocket. Some of the roses in the above pics are: Mary Rose/Winchester Cathedral (It can't decide which it wants to be) John Clare Brother Cadfael Eglantyne Charity Gertrude Jekyll Graham Thomas Charity Heritage Teasing Georgia Leander Molineux Tes of D'urberville (sp) Mayor of Castorbridge Pat Austin Perdita Iceberg Paul Neyron Nearly Wild I think that's most of them shown above. I mix in lots of perennials, such as daylillies, iris, coneflowers, browneyed susan, catmint, anything that reseeds I love. I always try to have some hollyhocks (which are not blooming yet), foxglove, malva, and other "stuff" that slips my mind. I always add annuals for long-lasting color, salvias, blue, red, white. I have butterfly bushes out front which really keeps the butterflies coming. Thanks again!

move : edit : share : delete lacunoas3.jpg URL Link HTML Tag IMG Code Gene , you will see something like this on PhotoBucket with each of your pictures and you can copy this "code" directly to GW posting any of the three and they will link to your photobucket pictures. The "HTML tag" is the best one to use. Another way is to click in that little box and then look at the bottom of the page for a button labeled "Generate HTML and IMG code", clicking this button will generate several codes that can be copied directly into your GW post and create links to your pictures. Please try it -Leon