Organically fertilizing a 5-1-1 mix (lengthy with pics)
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Comments (16)Fortunately, I only dry mixed 3/4 teaspoon per gallon of 511 mix. The bag is called "horticultural hydrated lime", it calls for one tablespoon of hydrated lime per gallon of water, water plants once a year. It doesn't say anything about mixing it dry in containers, just for outdoor gardens. Im wondering if it's even usable in containers, or is it to caustic? My plants are showing signs of burn on the tips of the leaves, the new growth is looking normal, though. I flushed the plants thoroughly. They should be fine.. This is my first time using the 511 mix, I normally use a peat/perlite mix with success. I was hoping I would be blown away by the growth on my 511 plants, unfortunately the damn hydrated lime burned them and stunted them from the start. I always try to experiment with multiple setups and always try some new setups, yet stick to my proven setup as a control. My peat/perlite mixes are doing great, even the few that were cut with the 511 mix, it just so happens I didn't lime the peat/perlite, the only thing I limed is the 511 mix.. I wish I would of left some 511 mix that i didn't lime, i bet them plants would of did real good! I could always topdress/water with lime/fertilizer after they get established.. Next time, next time... Thanks for the help guys!...See MoreAl's 5.1.1 mix
Comments (17)Soluble fertilizers are synthesized, often from urea for the N source, but also from a wide variety of other chemicals that contain the essential nutrients plants get from the soil. They mix with water immediately, and plants start taking them up as soon as they are applied. The considerable advantage you realize is the control over what your plants get and when they get it. Fertilizers that supply their nutrients locked in organic molecules need to rely on soil organisms to cleave hydrocarbon chains and 'unlock' the nutrients by breaking them down into elemental forms. The problem with this is, the microorganism populations you must rely on are extremely variable in containers, being greatly affected by a number of factors, among them temperature, moisture and air volumes in the soil, pH, fertility, soil type ..... There is no way of telling if the N in the fertilizer that derives its N from feather or horn meal will give up its N today or a month from today. There is no need to fertilize every time you water when using soluble fertilizers. It's a good strategy if you have only a few plants, but not requisite. I fertilize (usually) weekly in the summer, and every time I water in the winter. Some granular fertilizers, like MG and FP, are soluble. Some granular fertilizers, like most granular lawn or garden fertilizers are 'slow-release' products because they are only marginally soluble. Most 'organic' fertilizers that get their N from organic sources are also slow-release because of the length of time it takes them to break down into elemental forms plants can assimilate. When it's all said & done, plants 'eat' salts as the building blocks they use to make their own food and keep their metabolism humming. The nutrients they take up are in the same form, whether they came from a dead fish, blood/hoof/horn meal, or from a plastic container of Miracle-Gro. They don't know and don't care where their nutrients come from, as long as they get them. Finally, I believe strongly in the adage "feed the soil not the plant ....... in my garden - but when it comes to container culture, what works best in the garden is often best left there. Container culture is much closer to hydroponics than growing in the earth, so it's not a big stretch to allow that it might take a different set of tools to achieve the best results. There is a LOT of disagreement about what is and isn't acceptable insofar as fertilizers are concerned if you wish to be considered an 'organic' grower. I don't get involved with the politics because I don't care too much about it (bigger things to worry about), and I'm much closer to being a slave to results than ideology. You could probably get recommendations from the crowd at the organic gardening forum, but it's rare that there is ever much of a consensus when it comes to fertilizing containerized plants. Maybe fish emulsion would suit the application? AL...See MoreAfrican Violets in Gritty Mix or 5:1:1
Comments (49)Hi Al/plantcrazed/et. al., I thought I should come back and share some results from my "experiment" that I started at the end of April. The controls in my little trial were almost non-existent, but I think that actually makes the results more relevant to me and my growing conditions (and hopefully others will get something from this too). Back in April I got an order of leaves of 19 varieties of AVs. 14 came as pairs of leaves, so I decided to try growing them in different media. As I described in my post in mid-May, 14 leaves went in 100% vermiculite and 19 leaves in 100% turface fines (the smaller stuff left over after sifting for other mixes). The planting tray is an old kit I had leftover from years ago that has a clear cover for germinating/propagating. I had grand plans to carefully measure watering, leaf condition, first sign of roots/new leaves, etc. (like a good experimenter would), but the same day I planted the leaves my toddler ended up in the ER, kicking off several weeks of stress and doctor's visits, not to mention usual life events and adventures when working full time and caring for a small child. My plant care regimen settled in to, basically, watering when I noticed they looked dry. After the plantlets started to appear I took the covers off the trays, but otherwise I've just watered and left them under fluorescent lights and hoped for the best. Here are my results. Vermiculite 4 have plantlets, all of which seem to be growing alright 5 are mostly-dead or all-dead 1 formed a nice-looking plantlet that subsequently died, tho the leaf is still there and has roots 4 have roots but no sign of new leaves (yet?) Turface fines all 19 leaves are still alive 16 have multi-leaf plantlets 1 has a new leaf just beginning to appear 2 are strongly rooted and some gentle investigation revealed new leaves that just haven't broken the surface yet (I had just finished watering when I took this photo, which is why the turface shows wet and dry spots. This is what my usual watering of this tray looks like) A few other observations: the leaves of the new plants in the vermiculite are larger than any in the turface the leaves of the new plants in the turface are much smaller, but there are many of them, they are a strong green colour, and have a vital appearance (my experience tells me these are stronger plants than in the vermiculite) one variety was not in very good shape when it arrived. I considered complaining to the store owner about the quality, but see above re: bigger life priorities right now. That variety didn't survive more than a few days in the vermiculite. The leaf just rotted away. In the turface, it slowly rotted up the stem towards the leaf, but then rooted from the remaining piece of leaf and now has a lovely little plant growing: What these results say to me is that, for my horrible, neglectful treatment of these leaves, the turface was a better growing medium. I'm sure Al or Kevin/ewwmayo would have the correct terms for the properties of the two media, but I would say it seemed like the vermiculite contributed to a less stable environment - it went from a soggy mess when I watered to very dry, very quickly - and the turface was much more stable and allowed these poor things to survive despite my neglect. I've read some of the very lengthy threads about the properties of the various gritty mix ingredients and it makes sense to me that a plant like an AV that doesn't like to dry out but also hates being soggy would appreciate the turface's qualities of holding water but allowing for drainage and air movement through the medium. I think from now on the turface fines will be my preferred method for starting AV leaves (and likely other similar plants like episcias or begonias). I also moved two other AVs (a standard and a mini) into a modified gritty mix (1:1:1, but perlite in place of bark). So far nothing meaningful to report, though neither plant has bloomed and the mini seems to be happier than the standard. But with my neglect of the plants lately I don't think these results are meaningful, beyond saying that AVs can actually survive in the gritty mix even with an inconsistent and sub-optimal care routine. If there's anything interesting to report as these AVs continue to grow and I pot them up (likely into a gritty mix of some sort), I'll be sure to come back with an update. I would happily accept comments/questions/criticisms of my results, but please be kind in your criticisms of my care routine. I might be bad with my plants, but this little one is thriving: Thanks everyone, Melanie...See MoreFertilizing with the 5:1:1 or Gritty Mix
Comments (9)Ok so maybe every other week to once a month. That's not too bad. Here is what I have done in the past so let me know if I am missing something as far as nutrients go. I usually added Fish Emulsion in with water, every so often I'd spray with Epsom Salts and also use to water in with, and then within the last couple of years I have been using rabbit manure tea, or fresh rabbit manure. I would also cut up and add chopped banana peels under the top layer of soil as well as crushed egg shells fairly regularly (at least every other week), and maybe every other month I would add Triple Super Phosphate to cover the NPK requirements. Compost tea I would add maybe 3 times a year at most. Anything I am missing?...See Moreka0ttic
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