Kaki Persimmon
sam_md
11 years ago
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Sara Malone Zone 9b
11 years ago
pineresin
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how many different varieties and why?
Comments (13)Well I thought I was going to be able to report better on different Kaki more this year beyond the ones that have already fruited for me, but that cold spell a couple weeks ago may alter it to those surviving late spring cold when in active growth as opposed fruit based. I had about 6 cultivars that were blooming and hopefully fruiting for me this year for the first time beyond the ones that had fruited past years. I have about 40 Kaki trees in the ground comprised of about 18 cultivars and about 5 additional cultivar grafted onto the trees just this spring. Several of the cultivars were new trees just planted this spring as well. Right now most all of them are total froze back brown and playing the wait and see game. It did not even get that cold probably not below 29 F. My oldest trees are 4th/5th? Year and had never shown much damage prior and have seen single digit when fully dormant. It was not just my Kaki hit Hardy Kiwi, Bunch Grapes, Muscadines, Jujube, Chestnuts, Carpathian walnuts, Pecan, Butternuts, Mulberry, Heartnuts etc... all had serious damage and that's not even touching on the fruits lost on blueberry, sour cherry peach etc... I can deal with a year loss of fruit as luckily this is hobby and not income for me, but losing plants really hurts. I think everything beyond the Kaki will shake it off and many of those plants are hardy 3 zones lower than me. But it really makes a point about areas that are prone to inconsistent spring weather when you lose plants that others are growing multiple zones colder....See MoreAir-layering Kaki persimmon for instant fruited tree
Comments (27)Tonytran, the execution of the air layering is perfect. But from my point of serious sight better instead of making an air layering, to graft on the most appropriate rootstock (depending on terrain), if it is a land with very moist soils, it is best to use Diospyros virginiana, and for the driest land Diospyros Lotus is better . In your case with air layering, what you get will be a variety with a rootstock Diospyros kaki ( and no one knows how it will behave in different types of terrain) , although usually performs well. There is a boy from San Diego, who has problems with his kakis grafted in Diospyros Lotus (usually this rootstock has problems in humid lands, as this rootstock has a very shallow root system, only deepens in the land , about 40-50 centimeters ) while the Diospyros virginiana has a very deep root system (this rootstock is more resistant to soil moisture and provide to the grafted variety increased resistance to fungal diseases), next February , I will send some seeds of this rootstock. The difference between the two rootstock is like night and day. It seems that the rootstock Diospyros virginiana, is not widely used in the United States is this true? Best regards Jose...See MoreKaki Persimmon Graft rejection on a Geneva Red D.V. Intertem
Comments (3)I'll bet there is a lot more to learn along these lines. Subtle details for the more-minor crops. Very interesting....See MoreKaki and Hybrid Persimmons winter protection for Zone 5A
Comments (25)I was reading a response in the NAFEX "Richard Moyer and others is that for Zone 6/7, it is not the absolute winter minimum that kills kakis, but late spring freezes after the trees have broken dormancy. The great Easter Freeze of 2007 killed 10 out of 12 'cold hardy' kaki cultivars I had, most of them 4-8 inches in diameter. The two that survived unscathed are 'Hira Tanenashi' and 'Sung Hui', only because neither had broken dormancy. We ate and sold many fruits from these two trees this fall, until Christmas. Three nights of +19, 24 and 27F killed the other 10 'cold hardy' cultivars to the ground. In themountains of Korea, I observed huge, old kaki trees at Buddhist temples. So it's "not always how cold it gets, but how/when it get's cold", especially for some of these Asian plants we try to grow in the eastern US. Cliff England, at Nut Tree nursery in KY, also is trialing cold hardy kakis. Some of his material from northern Japan and north Korea". So Tony, can I protect the hardy Asian persimmons wtih your method for short period from a late freeze in early April? Others comments are welcome. Thx....See More
Dave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
7 years agosam_md
7 years agoDave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoalabamatreehugger 8b SW Alabama
7 years agosam_md
6 years agoWhat appears to be a seedling grown Diospyros kaki. As of this date fruits are hard and unripe. After another month or so they should soften up. Otherwise this tree is an attractive ornamental.
Dave in NoVA • N. Virginia • zone 7A
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoFall 2017: Sam, well, I don't know if it's because there are hickory nuts and acorns available this year - as well as lots of live oak acorns on my live oaks -- but my Fuyu persimmons are having a banner year and nothing seems to be stealing them (yet). I've eaten at least 2 dozen already. Maybe 200 more still on the tree!
drrich2
6 years ago
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