Zone 5 and colder, which roses would you buy again
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Which Teas thrive in zone 7 and colder zones?
Comments (21)Like most folks on this thread, I'll have to echo that teas (something separate from Hybrid Teas of course) don't necessarily thrive the further you get from zone 7. It's like anything else - you have to pick and choose among teas, and even then it may depend on local conditions like catsrose says from zone 6. I have had Madame Alfred Carriere for many years, and have planted some other noisettes or tea-noisettes recently (Blush Noisette comes to mind), and so far they've survived fine but are not cane hardy. The problem is that these seem to only bloom on old wood, so while MAC has absolutely massive healthy canes trying to eat my house every year, I've only had one year of bloom out of them in the past 6 years (a very mild winter where most roses had surviving cane). The same goes for many of my Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals, including Mme. Isaac Periere. As for teas, I've got some 6-7 year old ones that do fine for me and a few new ones planted. Some teas have died a miserable death (Monsieur Tillier comes to mind) and all of these are in a virtual zone 6 side of my house. The longest surviving ones are Mme. Antoine Mari, Mrs. BR Cant, Maman Cochet, and Duchesse de Brabant. Georgetown Tea was also good until it succumbed to user error. I wouldn't say any of these thrive in the ways expected for warm zone teas, but they make nice modest sized blooming bushes and recover reasonably well from being pruned to the ground even after all the protection I can give them. Bottom line is that zones 7 and to some extent 6 are probably the limits of where teas are likely to survive long-term, but they do need summer heat (we have plenty of that), rather than murky summer gloom like some regions can experience. I'm a bit of an anomaly in zone 5 and I'm fully aware that I'm zone pushing the teas. Nothing like a challenge though. Cynthia...See Morewhat mini roses have you grown in zone 5 over the winter?
Comments (9)Hi, thanks for the reply -- here is my list of the roses I've ordered (it's a lot!!). Asked the question because I noticed after I ordered them that some say zone 6. I'd like to keep them in the ground if possible, with mulch, etc. Any help on any of these -- how to help them, will be appreciated. Thanks! And my list: Autumn Splendor Baby Austin Baby Boomer Bambino Cal Poly Celebrate Life Charlie Brown Chasin Rainbows Cinderella Climbing Kristin Doris Bennett Double Take Electric Lady First Impression Iced Raspberry In Memory Julie Link Little Pinkie Live Wire Love and Peace No Worries Old Glory Overnight Scentsation Pacesetter Peach Delight Pinstripe RalphÂs Creeper Red Minimo Renny Ruby Princess Sachet Scentsational Southern Delight Sweet Fairy Sweet Sue Tiddly winks Ty Vista Work of Art Ada Perry Cherry Hi English Porcelain Golden Halo Green diamond Halo today Hope and joy Iced Tea Irresistible Jessica Rose Mary Marshall Minnie Pearl Mother Lode Mr. Bluebird Ora Kelly Patrio Song Pennies from Heaven Polly sunshine Ralph Moore Ring of Fire Rita Applegate Robi Rose Gilardi Saluda Sequoia Ballet Sleeping beauty Starina Sunny day Sunshine Sally Sweet Caroline Toy Clown Winter Magic Wistful Woodstock Yellow doll Constellation DenverÂs Dream Double gold Focal Point Gem of the rockies Jean Keneally Jeanne Lajoie KeithÂs Delight Lavender Delight Millie Walter Montana New Beginning Red Cascade Rose Gilardi Ruby Magic Ruby Princess Snow Twinkle Splish Splash Starina Sunswept Vineyard Song X Rated Pam tillis Thanks -- if you have any that are less winter hardy than others and need more protection -- let me know (and also, what do you do -- extra mulch?) We also get -20 degree weather on a pretty regular basis!! Debbie...See MoreWhich "found rose" would you like to grow next to which 'known rose'?
Comments (87)For me Grandmother's Hat is a nice rose but not one of my most frequent bloomers. She only blooms in small flushes and no more than others of my HPs. HPs in general do well here as do Bourbons. Mme Pierre Oger is a monster (from Vintage who obtained a virus cleaned clone so maybe that accounts for some of the robustness???) Bourbon, healthy as can be and blooms repeatedly. Souvenir de la Malmaison is more demure in size but also a very healthy Bourbon with very good repeat. I can't remember whether she has many thorns. However, my HP Reine des Violettes is thornless and repeats about as much as Grandmother's Hat. Another HP I have is Comtesse O'Gorman, she is quite healthy and has few thorns. GH, RdV, and COG all seem to have very flexible canes, not twiggy/stiff like what I think of as HT habit. The HP that has bloomed the most for me is Baronne Prevost. She has also never shown any disease and has flexible canes. I have an HP from Eurodesert that came misidentified as Symphony but Cliff said it clearly wasn't. It's very pretty and healthy but quite strange. Grows in a very narrow, elegant, upright shape. I don't have a single rose that has that particular growth habit. Some canes are bristley while others are entirely smooth. I wonder how many of the found roses aren't any particular historic rose but rather seedlings of them. We know that in France back in the old days if you ordered a rose with a certain name you just might get a seedling. So what do we know about very old American nurseries? What were their practices? Did they always sell the actual variety or were seedlings sent? I really don't know but am curious about it. In addition, it seems modern day roses can easily get mixed up in commerce, so I have to wonder how many times that happened in the past, and we just don't know about it. Or if someone, way back got a seedling and that rose did really, really well, it might have been passed on to friends and spread because it was such a good plant. It won't match precisely a famous antique variety because it isn't. But should be treasured because of garden merit. With roses at Sangerhausen, I wish someone or a group would visit and discuss, in depth, the ID's of roses such as Cornet and Mrs. R. Sharman-Crawford with staff. How certain is Sangerhausen that these roses are correct in their garden? Do they have documentation that helps in the ID, and can this be viewed? Were these plants growing in parts of the garden that were bombed to heck during war, or in areas that came through unscathed? Then it would be nice if DNA of GH, Cornet, and MSC could be compared to see if they are related or are any of them identical....See MoreGrowing Roses in Pots in Colder Zones
Comments (5)I grow several roses in pots. The most successful ones are right up against the house. Including climbers! I do protect them (mound straw around the base of the pot) but I think they get plenty of heat from the house. I do focus on VERY hardy roses for pots (that is, things hardy to at least a zone colder than me, like Felix LeClerc and Cape Diamond). But for example Weeping China Doll, which is, I believe, zone 6, has done very well here for a number of years. The only rose I had luck with in a pot out in the middle of the garden was Frontenac, which is something like zone 3. (But even for that, I mounded the pot with straw). So I guess if were you, I'd consider protecting. But maybe somebody in your zone will offer advice. Good luck!...See Moremmmm12COzone5
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