Thanks grizzman, I can see it possible with plastic buckets. Although I have never really thought about trying it. I have seen jewelry made many years ago. I mentioned before I took ceramics in high school, and during advanced ceramics class (I took 4 times) the teacher also taught a second class in the same room at the same time. A jewelry class where he spent most of his time. He would just give us an assignment at the beginning of the week, then we would just make what we wanted even if it wasn't the given assignment, as long as we were doing something he didn't care. I often saw what they were doing but don't remember much other than they would make a casting out of wax, then encase it in plaster or something. Then heat it to get the wax out of it, in order to pour the metal in the mold. But from the way you explained it it sounds like pluming. I have done that many times before, getting the solder in joint between two pieces of copper tubing. In fact I'm going to need to do that exact thing again shortly to change the two outside water faucets. Although I have never herd of a type of plastic solder. Is it easy to get, and what type of heat source is used? I to have used both male and female threaded PVC fittings to make a bulkhead fitting on the bottoms of 2 gallon paint buckets. But the only ones that I have seen (that fit together anyway), the male end is tapered. So the female end only goes on so far before it gets to tight to go any ferther. I have used spacers to remedy that problem though. In the picture it looks like a fairly good seal but doesn't it need help from something other than the O-ring to make it water tight because of the curve? Unless it's a real thick O-ring (rubber gasket etc.) there must be some gap right? sdgrower Thanks, I have lots of the threaded/barbed fittings although I have never tried to tap and thread it into the side of a bucket. I just use them to connect my vinyl tubing to PVC tubing. Depending on the situation that might be useful. Although instead of a plastic wing nut, I would probably use the threaded PVC connector on the inside to clamp it down tight (like a bulkhead fitting), I could always just cut off any part of it I don't need. What I have in mind for the main tower is a minimum of 8 inch PVC tube, but most likely 12 inch. The pluming supply houses in town carry all sizes and one sells it by the foot (the other sells 20 foot sections). Depending on the plants and basket sizes, I would want 2 or 3 inch PVC tubing for the side tubes. I have a lot of 3 inch baskets, but it depends on what plants I decide to grow in it (as well as the future plants). The elbows wont work for what I have in mind without modification. Basically I need a straight piece of tubing to start with, or the baskets wont be able to go past the elbow/bend. Therefore wouldn't be able to get misted on from the mister heads. My baskets have a small lip, so there wouldn't be any modifications or stoppers to keep the baskets in place. It would get quite expensive for 2 or 3 inch elbow fittings in comparison. I don't remember for sure but even 2 inch fittings are more than $1 each if I remember correctly. But a 10 foot piece of 2 inch PVC only costs about $4. That 10 foot piece of tubing will make 30 4 inch long pieces that I would use for the side tubes that hold the baskets. I still would need to make each of them the right shape, but that wont be hard to do. I just need to make a drum sander (wheel sander). Just using a piece of tubing the same size as the main tube (12 inch tube), attaching it to a lathe or drill to spin it. Then covering it with sand paper. All I would need to do is cut out some of the bulk of the side tubing (so there's less sanding to so), and grind it down. At that point I would have the perfect shape, and angle to glue to the main tube for a flush fit every time. Considering that each main tube depending on the size of the baskets I decide to go with, and height of the tower there would be quite of a lot of side tubes to do, so replicating it is an important factor to me. PVC glue is not expensive and is easy to use. But I would still want to make the connections stronger. I don't know what made me think of it, but I also thought about using a glue gun today. I used to have one but don't know where it is. Glue guns are less than $10 and the glue sticks are cheep as well. I just need to test it on PVC to see how well it bonds, but if it does work that's the cheapest option yet. Other inexpensive options I plan to test include things like different types of "liquid nails". Although most wont cure properly if the solvents cant evaporate. Non pours materials wont allow that evaporation. But it would still be expose to the air for evaporation because the seam would be glued together with PVC glue. Only the outer edge would be glued with the liquid nails (glue gun etc.), like caulking the edge of a counter top. So I'm guessing it would cure but just take longer. I would also use a sanding sponge (a sponge with sand glued to it) to clean the edges before using the glue gun or liquid nails etc. before gluing. That will clean the surface (of excess PVC glue etc.), also it would scuff up the surface and create a better bond.

Local remote hard drive is best I'm sure. But most people dont have one,.. and many seem unreliable -- the majority of people dont seem to know how to do backups reasonably.. Most seem to make copies of the same stuff over and over and buy another huge hard drive every so often when they run out of room. I have about 25 gb in SkyDrive free space and maybe 12gb free at DropBox. I'm not a picture taker or video maker or movie collector... I have too much free space. SkyDrive has fairly cheap annual fees for more gb than most people would use for home type personal files.. SkyDrive ihas become part of windows 8 backup plans & their plans for the future. There's a whole lot of people wanting access to all their personal files on their cell phones so they can watch some movie or play their music while they grocery shop or wander around home depot ?. And when they are standing there praying to their phone blocking your path.. you pull out your cell phone and start text messaging your friends telling them youre gonna be late because some guy in front of you is watching the Titanic movie or playing its music on his cell sharing it with the cashier in the checkout line. When you turn around and look behind you, you notice everybody looks to be praying to their cell phones so you upload a video to youtube and a panoramic to SkyDrive and email him links. What the heck,, you nothing better to do while stuck in that checkout line. I'm sure many hobbyist can eat up storage space fast with tons of things they save and let gathers dust. This post was edited by mikie on Thu, Jul 11, 13 at 12:54

the repetition doesn't overly bother me -- I just disregard pins I've seen before. Just like any site (this one included) it has its annoying quirks, but I think it's better than it was before. I make every effort to pin from original sources wherever possible. It used to be that it would be hard to visit the original source, and you'd just be re-routed endlessly to other pinners, but they fixed that, putting the original source on all pins. So, if I'm interested, I just go there and look at the source and pin from there. I pay little attention to gaining followers or whatever. I also upload and pin my own photos, which make them unique. It's so gratifying when people like or repin my own original photos. So, I say, "I pin sparingly but like generously." A like gets recorded and you can go back and browse the liked pin, then look at the related pins. I also appreciate that with use, the feed conforms to your interests. Some of you were kind enough to look at my southwest board -- here's a link to my stuff should you be interested. Here is a link that might be useful: Violet's Pinterest

WOW, I SURE DID MISS THIS BEFORE I WENT ON VACATION. Well I for one agree with Laura and the majority. This is totally stupid that you cannot pass an OT post. They are really the post that make us human and family. I have been to other sites strictly quilting some have not had a new post since 2 yrs ago. they got so technical people left. Go check out have many dead quilting forum there are. You should go to BLOCK CENTRAL they have hundreds of posts daily (DAILY) its a good mix of family , health, prayers, techiques and pictures. they have it all and have a good time doing it. There are swaps and games too. Its just too big for me. But I get involved there too great bunch of ladies. I like the cozy of OUR forum like Aunt NET said WORTS AND ALL. I like the pictures the best so we can ask how to do things if we do not know. This forum answered all my questions when I was new, and I try to answer back for the newbies but alot of times all I can do is welcome the new folks since the question was answered. I do Not always read everything on the forum I skip over alot. I do not do all the swaps but I have done the birthday and siggy blocks and loved every minute. The truly amazing thing here is: it more personal we care here in the corner of cyberspace. And for the person in the beginning of this thread who basically was here for info only and was not here for high school stuff, you could look it up in a book since you seem not to want human contact. We are like a quilting bee just getting to know each other...what is so wrong with that? No one hardly goes to the gallery to post pics cuz noone ever goes there to look at them. That's why they are in Disscusions. I vote to keep everything in one place like it is. That's how I am gonna do it. Nanci