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Question on assisted living costs/fees
Comments (8)This is a wild and tumultuous free market. Many factors come into the building/offering of CCRCs. You MUST do a lot of research because if you make a mistake with your $$$$, nobody is going to come to your rescue and get it back. There are no real guarantees in the eldercare facility. First: Is the facility non-profit or for-profit? Non-profits rate better for care and lower staff turnover. But be aware that at any time, a non-profit can be bought by a for-profit corporation - in fact, many already have and this trend is increasing. This is not, repeat, not, to say that for-profits are always bad. Many are quite nice. Where we found the biggest difference was not at the Asst Living level, but at the Memory Care/skilled nursing (e.g., 24/7 care commonly called "nursing home" level care). At that level, the cost between non- and for-profits was noticeable. We're talking a $2-3K/monthly difference. Also, when staff turnover is high, care suffers at all levels. We've visited places where the daytime staff that one saw in the public areas were all smiles and welcoming, but at night the staff was indifferent and brusque - not just to visitors, but to residents! Cost is not as important as the type of social environment. "Like to like" should be the motto of these facilities. We investigated eight nearby full-service facilities for my MIL, and every one of them had a different social atmosphere. We did very intensive research and multiple visits, to ensure the one we picked would be the best for her while being a place she would enjoy the most. As most know from my other posts, we were successful. But it took months to achieve it. You can check a facility's inspection record through the appropriate state regulators. Ours are on-line and although it took a lot of time, it MUST be done. When I finished I had confidence the facility we chose was ranked third in the state and had only extremely minor issues, which were promptly corrected. So what is the cost? There are two big issues: one is the upfront buy-in cost; the other is the cost of 24/7 care. Due to state licensing requirements, most senior facilities find it easier to apply for an AL license for all their living units, rather than designating some as 'independent' and some as 'assisted'. For Asst. Living, we found little difference between the various facilities we saw. In our high labor cost state, "rent" ranged from $2800-$4000/mo., for smaller units that were either studios, junior studios, or 1 bdrm. Some had 1/2 baths, some had full baths. Not all had kitchens (we didn't want one; MIL had dementia so not safe for her to cook). Within Asst Living there were three levels of care, as determined by MIL's facility. The family can negotiate but it's the facility that decides what to charge extra for. Every facility is different but most have a similar type process. It can be expensive: MIL needed nothing more than daily medication help and weekly bathing assistance. That cost $900/mo. and was rated Level 1, the cheapest extra assistance pkg. Buy-ins vary enormously. With a larger buy-in you are paying for your monthly costs to never increase even if you need 24/7 care eventually. With a smaller buy-in if you need to move, your costs will be charged market rate. This may sound great but every facility we met with told us they raise rates 3-5% annually, every July, without fail. So if you go in at age 60, and need 24/7 care at age 85, what the facility is charging today will be more than double when you finally do go in. Will you have enough $$$$? And please, do not fall in with the common idea of "Well, at 85 I won't care, and I'll probably be dead anyway." My MIL was 84 when she went in. Imagine her shock to discover that among her three other tablemates at meals, she was considered "the baby"! People are living longer, and you might well be one of them. We're very happy we found a place that worked out so well for her, but it took effort on our part. I urge you not to short doing your research. Find a place that suits you, even if it is a little further from family. This is one of the most expensive decisions you will ever make, and you should never have to regret it....See MoreFinancing question - how much was your "loan origination" fee?
Comments (25)Okay, so today after reading the posts in this thread about interest rates, I called another bank we have a few mortgages with (rentals) to inquire. They said they offer a 30 yr fixed on a construction to mortgage loan at 4.0%. We called our bank we have been working with to this point and put the brakes on things until we talk to the second bank tomorrow. That sounds much more appealing. Will slow us down a little to change banks at this point, but the savings if this works out will be significant in the long run. I agree that is would seem ARMs are only going up in the next 20 years. I am usually such a researcher, but I embarrassingly didn't research much beyond what our local bank told us about rates. Thanks for all the advice and info!! To be continued.........See Morefsbo questions: flat fee listing services??? Websites?
Comments (2)It's a two-edged sword. Like you, I have extensive knowledge more than sufficient to conduct a transaction, but it is hard to find buyers on your own who feel competent to do so. They are told it is far too complex to do on their own, so they get agents to whom they pay thousands of dollars in the purchase price (shifting that to your proceeds by one time showing agreements). I find that perplexing as an attorney would be a better choice but they would rather not pay a little up front. Agents do not wish to deal with FSBOs, and will do so only under compulsion. They think it is more work for them (and it might be, with unknowledgeable sellers but not with knowledgeable ones). They will try to get the deal first, and if you don't know what you are doing, you end up listing with them. At the least, they will demand a one time showing agreement. When you have a flat fee agent (and I have used a great one multiple times), it takes longer to sell because there are agents who object to anyone undermining their system and won't show those flat fee listing houses to their clients (unless clients insist, which they might do when your photos and house are fabulous). Everyone insists this doesn't happen, but it does. So just a few things to take into consideration. You will have to research your area and see who does flat fee listings and whose name shows up most frequently on the listings and then interview those people. There are likely a few. If you want to do FBSO, Zillow and Redfin are a couple that I have heard do a lot of business....See MoreHOA question - Removal of shutters from brick townhome
Comments (4)I would remove them in the dead of night and wait to see if anyone notices. If you have keep them then do black ones in wood or a nice gray/ green and paint the front door to match either color. I have to say I would never live in area with an HOA after reading all the ridiculous things HOA dictates and BTW probably a board that will change next year and allow no shutters.Some power tripping jerk who thinks they know everything that is the only way they would want plastic shutters on that home....See More- 2 years ago
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