Hi Bart, I grow MoK. I like her a lot! It blooms relatively late in the season. Mine has not yet opened, but the buds are showing color. Just to give you a reference, my Super Dorothys, another late one, ARE in bloom. Big magnificent clusters of smallish flowers that cover the plant. Good bloom through the season, good health. The color is beautiful, and goes perfectly with deeper pinks (I have mine growing with Capt. Samuel Holland). Mine is maybe 9 ft tall, but very wide and spreading. I give it a thumbs up!

Thanks..I saw that, and ordered it from them.

Hi Sande and Yellow..hope you both had a nice 4th. Sande, do you have JB pamphlets or books? I think mine were lost or tossed when we moved here 20 yrs ago..Baker wrote one book I particularly liked, dedicated to house plants. I might look for a copy. Since they were published in the 70's they're probably out of print, so if I can't find a new copy, I'll hunt for used. I found two other out of print plant books, used, on Ebay. One was 1.00. What a bargain! The book's name is Hyponex, the first plant book I bought. This is my third copy..lol Sande, what did you use Listerine for on your outside plants? For insects? I think I read it's also supposed to prevent or cure fungus, especially roses. Not sure though. What is hydroton? Did your Sans make it? Is it mealy-free or did those creatures from hell win? I agree it's best discarding one plant than chancing other plants getting infested. Then again, I have some rare plants that would be difficult tossing. Therefore, I'd do everything in my power trying to save it.. Only if it was impossibly infested would it go. If cuttings were possible, I'd try that. Yellow, lol..did you really have the Mealy dream? Wow, if so, that IS weird. Your subconsious is hung-up on mealy, worrying non-stop. How many times did you find mealy on plants? After your experiments, it sounds like they're impossible to kill! I can't believe they lived in snow. Perhaps if you left them out longer than 1/2 hour they'd have died. What was the temp that day? You soaked in water? Were there entire bodies submersed or were their heads above water level? I wouldn't think it possible! They're like roaches. I've read roaches will survive a neucler war..how gross..Maybe mealy will too. If so, what will happen to plants nationwide? Will they all be devoured? I wonder if your plants had Soil Mealy..before using the clay pot, you better wash it out with bleach..scrub and rescrub. Soak overnight in soapy water. Also, check neighboring plants. Thank God my plants have been fairly insect=free over the years. In the last 4-5 years, the only plants that contracted mealy were two Purple Passions/Gynuras. One variegated. I tossed them. Last winter I won a succulent on Ebay..one arrived with a white coating which I assumed was Mealy..I used rubbing alcohol, but it died anyway..I'm not sure mealy was the culprit, it also looked like mold. I don't blame you for fearing them...ever see a magnified picture of mealy? They're disgusting..if they were large bugs I'd run away..lol. My biggest fear is spiders..I dont care how helpful they are, how they eat plant bugs..I'll treat plants without their help, thank you..lol..I fear the tiniest of spiders, even 1/4"..so you can imagine seeing a 3"+ spider..oh God have mercy..Sometimes when I order plants from Fl or Ca, I worry a big spider will be in the plant..over the years, I found different types of reptiles..I tried catching them, but they're fast. Last autumn, I found a coccoon in my Crown of Thorns..The only reason I discovered it was my Crown had 2 or 3 leaves left..I wondered, what the heck? I took the Crown to the sink and voila, the coccoon was living on this plant. We thought it was a butterfly, but it turned out to be a King Moth..lol. I took care of this little guy/gal until it left its home. He/she was huge. Bad ending so don't want to get into it, but I tried. Ohh, gotta go, I'll finish later..lol... Baker uses some rather odd stuff, including urine. LOL. If I recall, it's applied outdoors, possibly to keep certain wildlife away. On the other hand I learned a lot from him..Even recycling containers that come in handy at times. Since reading his book, I've become a pack rat. lol. He's even discussed saving and using water from humidifers, washing machines, and so much more.. It makes sense, it's a way to save $$ on needed supplies.

Were talking pure juice, and probably pasturized to boot. As mentioned, if its smelly or brown, toss. Lemons for me have still been usable if unopened and the skins are withered a bit and bloched with brown. A shelf life for most things is always going to be exagerated to some degree. Perishables like tomatoes, bananas, and pickling cukes are more prone to quick spoilage like most other fresh produce. Once in a while I will still buy off the 'not as good as fresh' shelf, as sometimes you get a good deal. Last week, I bought some avacados, Hass type. Some were hard and difficult to peel deseed. The same batch I bought had two that were brown inside and were way too overripe to enjoy. Now, if the lemons are rotten and are growing mold in the fridge, YES, I would toss them.