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clematis ID - is 'The President' one of these?

9 months ago

Back around 10 or so years ago I planted a few clematises to grow on the south gate arbour and shrubs down the path. From the tags, 'Galore' and 'The President' were the blue-purple part of the mix. By 2013/2014 the plantings in the alley got out of hand and were starting to become a problem re access down the path so I ripped it all out in 2020 and planted lower-growing things - mainly 'Biokovo' perennial geraniums, but did try to transplant some clematis stems to a place by the arbour. At first nothing seemed to grow but last year and this year some clematises started growing and this year they started to bloom! I'm pretty sure the 'Galore' one is in the mix but I'm not sure if the other one is 'The president' because the anther color doesn't look quite right... Looking at the older picture below I'm not sure if 'The President' was ever the right ID for the other one! What do you think these are?

original overgrown planting in 2014:

regrowth as it looks today:

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erasmus_gw
9 months ago
Oh, yum....whatever it is it's lovely!
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FrozeBudd_z3/4
9 months ago
last modified: 9 months ago
Woody, the first one appears to be 'Etoile Violette' and the second much resembles 'Jackmanii'.

Oh, as for hibiscus that the two of us had been in discussion, I had settled on growing seeds of 'Honeymoon Light Rose', the plants are currently nicely hitting their stride and budding up.
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I would also like to know about the one in the first pic as it is the variety planted at the house I bought last fall. Poor thing was on a rickety old wooden trellis that blew down earlier in the year and had to be staked with metal rods to keep it up. It had covered the trellis and had about two feet of vines just hanging in front of the plant. So this week I bought a garden obelisk and took apart the old trellis. Hopefully, I didn't do it any harm trying to stuff it up inside the obelisk. I don't know anything about clematis, having never grown it before. The obelisk not only looks much better, but it seems quite sturdy and gives the plant much more room to grow without being just hanging out there in the wind.
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woodyoak
Original Author
9 months ago
FrozeBudd - I have never planted any clematis that was labelled ’Etoile Violette’ - mind you, I think clematises are frequently mis-labelled since it is not uncommon for me to end up with something that is clearly not what it was supposed to be! I have planted Jackmanii superba before - but not in this area… But I posted these pictures out of curiosity about what others might think they are. Rather like erasmus, I really don’t care too much what their proper names are as long as I like them! :-) I do think the dark red-purple one is ‘Galore’ though.

re hibiscus - I had to look that one up…. It looks like it is supposed to be very hardy so I hope it does well for you. My hibiscuses are just budding up now so should be in bloom in a week or two. Some of mine were seed-grown and they did well. I hope yours grow well and survive your winter - remember that they are very late to start growing in spring so don’t give up on they too soon next year.
gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
9 months ago
last modified: 9 months ago
I see no 'The President' in the mix for any of the photos. The middle photo shows what certainly could be Galore. although the colors seem off or inconsistent. But then indigo blue colors are hard to photograph with much accuracy. And they can fade in strong sunlight.

'Etoile Violette' is also not in the pictures :-)
FrozeBudd_z3/4
9 months ago
last modified: 9 months ago
Ahh, yes, did appear to me to be a bit too twisty gappy and brighter colored than 'Etoile Violette', 'Galore' does seem to fit it rather much more to a T ... or tee. Just looking at some 'Jackmanii Superba' the other day, they were clearly 'Etoile Violette' instead. Because of mislabeling, I really like to only purchase clematis in bloom.

I planted the hibiscus on a warm southwest facing garden slope, should help to wake them up a bit earlier. For now will stick to the seed grown hibiscus to save wasting money on expensive hybrids that might not perform and also collect seed from those I grow and have fun with the variability of them.
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