Need help ID'ing a fern and 2 tree or shrub flowers

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These 3 photos were all taken by a friend in SW, lower, MI on May 21, 2022 in a wooded area or on its margins.

I think the fern might be a Marginal Wood Fern, Dryopteris marginalis or something in that family or genus.

The trumpet shaped flowers I couldn't id by an image search using a description, at first I thought maybe some type of honeysuckle but most seem to have 5 petals and are not shaped like this.

Could the 3rd photo be Cornus florida, flowering dogwood? TIA!

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
last year
The second one is an Eleagnus, and, given Sod's Law, probably the invasive E umbellata.
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Jay 6a Chicago
last year
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Yes to Eleagnus umbellata. It's an evil invasive. Yes to Cornus/Benthamidia florida. Only Cornus florida and 1 similar Asian species have been moved to Benthamidia. It's obvious that the floral structure of C./B. florida is different from the other Cornus species with clusters of smaller flowers. All those Cornus species are now moved to Swida. Using the synonym Cornus is acceptable, but remembering the reasons for the split makes the entire group easier to understand. The ground covering Cornus canadensis is now Chamaepericlymenum canadensis Lol. I don't think the fern is Dryopteris marginalis. Dryopteris marginalis has lobed pinnules and this fern has pinnules that are entire. You can compare your fern to Osmunda/Claytosmunda claytoniana, Interupted Fern? The photo was taken from above, so I can't view the vertical form, but Interrupted fern grows very upright. If Osmunda claytoniana doesn't fit, I'd recommend more photos showing

the side view, and a photo of the underside of the leaf.

https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/grasses/plants/inter_fern.htm
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Sigrid
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Accurate fern ID requires looking at the entire blade (does it have more than one part, as in a Bracken fern); is it widest at the top or bottom or middle; is the stem hairy? what shape and place are the sori (seedlike things usually on the underside of the frond), and how does it grow, from a circle or on runners?

There's an app for wildflowers. I use New England Wildflowers, but they have one for each state or region of the country. It's useful because you can pull out your phone and look up most flowers. It doesn't do well with ferns.
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westmichiganflorafau
Original Author
last year
Thanks everyone. I will definitely advise regarding Eleagnus umbellata. It was photographed at the campground belonging to several of our local church boys clubs.

I don't know just how extensive the growth is at this point in time. Hopefully we caught it early and maybe can eliminate it easily - fingers crossed.

If the person who took the pix of the fern wants to pursue more accurate ID I will see if I can get more detailed photos.

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