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westmichiganflorafau

last year

I am trying to help an instructor at our church boys club prepare a workshop on weeds and wildflowers. He sent me several photos and I was able to ID all of them except 2 that only displayed foliage and no flowers, so I was stumped and hope someone can help. They are both from SW Michigan, taken in early October.

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westmichiganflorafau
Original Author

last year

Euthamia gymnospermoides is shown native in MI by USDA and several other web sources but none of them detail to county level.

As you stated, Euthamia graminifolia is recorded in Ottawa county and almost every other county as per https://www.michiganflora.net/species.aspx?id=328.

michiganflora.net doesn't have any records for Euthamia gymnospermoides.

Euthamia graminifolia and E. caroliniana are the only 2 of the genus shown in Ottawa county at michiganflora.net.

Of course this is not to say that it is impossible for Euthamia gymnospermoides to exist here, it just means there have been no official sighting recorded.

I guess having a flower head would have made all of this easier.

Thank you for you dedication to accuracy and for pursuing this matter further, it is greatly appreciated.

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peren.all Zone 5a Ontario Canada
last year
pic #2 - At first I thought perhaps Maianthemum racemosum then Polygonatum biflorum. Not convinced of either.
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westmichiganflorafau
Original Author
last year
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I agree, I don't think the 2nd photo Polygonatum biflorum because at this time of year there would still be seed/fruit pods hanging underneath and I don't see any signs of them. The same goes for Maianthemum racemosum, it usually has red berries at the stem end this time of year. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK
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2 appears to be a monocot.
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westmichiganflorafau
Original Author
last year
I had to look that up :-) It can be a lily or even some type of grass. There does seem to be a fairly good sized patch growing in this area, what ever they are.
carol23_gw
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Panicum clandestinum , Dichanthelium deer tongue grass I believe. https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/dichanthelium-clandestinum/
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westmichiganflorafau
Original Author
last year
That sure looks like it, and michiganflora.net even shows it recorded in Ottawa County. Thanks for your help.
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Jay 6a Chicago
last year
Euthamia gymnospermoides and Dichanthelium clandestinum
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westmichiganflorafau
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I was almost ready to guess some type of goldenrod even though there were no signs of any seed heads, most have already gone to seed in our area. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Jay 6a Chicago
last year
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I think the Goldenrod is the similar species Euthamia graminifolia actually. It seems to be the only species observed in your county. There usually are short white hairs on the stem, but they are difficult to see in photos.

https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/prairie/plantx/gr_goldenrodx.htm

https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/prairie/plantx/plgr_goldenrodx.htm
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Jay 6a Chicago
last year
Yes you're correct that gymnospermoides could be present, but not obsereved. It's so similar to E. graminifolia, that a close look is needed. This is what I see on I naturalist. The photo thar says 'no results found' is for E. gymnospermoides.
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Jay 6a Chicago
last year
If you scroll down to the bottom of the Illinois Wildflowers site to the comments section, it usually has good information about ways to tell the species apart from similar species.
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westmichiganflorafau
Original Author
last year
Thanks Jay, and thanks to everyone who replied to my original post, you have all been a big help in making my friends workshop a success. It's on the 15th, a regional conference organized by the Calvinist Cadet Corps. The workshop is based on a merit badge that I created for the Corps.

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