This definitely isn’t Eglantyne….

oursteelers 8B PNW

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Any ideas on who you think it might be? I just sent these same pictures to David Austin

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oursteelers 8B PNW
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Librarian that definitely does not look like mine!

Kristine, I’m not moving-the mystery rose is moving-that spot is for Eglantyne. I will be moving my little puzzle to the ”red” area area. Which hold Fiji (rose of sharon not rose-rose) mock oranges, a giant species hydrangea, hosta, some peonies, Rouge Royale, Black Caviar, Duke of Edinburgh and the Black Rose of Sangerhausen. Oh and two clematis-Bourbon and Killian Donahue (they help make the mock oranges not so boring when they are out of bloom)

I am never moving again. We moved here when I was in my mid forties and I’ll be fifty two in October.

Told everyone moving is a giant pain in the ass and im dying here. This is my ”old lady house” ie rambler. I will probably get swallowed up by the weeds when i fall down and can’t get up someday butnwhat the heck….as long as I’m not feeding a mystery rose (looking at you, my little red puzzle) it’s all good :)

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oursteelers 8B PNW
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I just went to look at their website and while it still shows Heathcliff’s picture it is out of stock and doesn’t show a date when it will be available.

Doesnt that usually mean it has been discontinued and if so do we think I could still have gotten it in April?
oursteelers 8B PNW
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last year
Just got a message from David Austin, they think it is England’s Rose. Thoughts?
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berrypiez6b
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I don't see how they came up with that, I would be very surprised if your rose is England's Rose.

It looks more like photos of Darcy Bussel or Thomas a Becket to me, but I haven't seen any of the current Austin reds or dark pinks in person.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Right??? It sure doesn’t look like England’s Rose to me!
smithdale1z8pnw
last year
Maybr they're guessing because it's so close alphabetically?
oursteelers 8B PNW
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That makes sense @smithdale1z8pnw, mine just looks so much darker than England’s rose to me
portlandmysteryrose
last year
That sure is a pretty NOID! I’d guess Darby Bussell for closest alphabetical, but the unfurling bloom reminds me of Tess of the d’Urbervilles. Carol
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Ok this is what it looks like now, 4:15 pm 90 degrees in the shade
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Ill look more closely at Heathcliff and my other Austing reds such as Falstaff. I dont think its Darcey Bussell and probably not Tess.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Does anyone have England’s rose and does anyone think it’s a possibility?
Mischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
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What about LD Braithwaite or however you spell that. I'm probably way off. But anyway, maybe?
oursteelers 8B PNW
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I have absolutely no experience with any reds-just started dipping my toes in that pool. i will research LD
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
last year
Yes Magpie, that is who I was thinking not Benjamin Britten. Good guess
librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
last year
I don't think it's England's rose. Nor is it Tess. Tess is less burgundy and more of a true red. Lovely color, Oursteelers!
oursteelers 8B PNW
Original Author
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If it helps anyone in their determination, I just took apart the bloom and it had 90 petals but some were still folded over in the center so that count could go a little higher.

Here it was this morning before the murder

And still no scent to speak of
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
last year
Boy is it pretty ( before the murder lol )
berrypiez6b
last year
By the time you figure it out, we will all want it.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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If petal count really is important than I believe it has to be either Heathcliff, Falstaff or Tess.

And I think only time will help differentiate these roses. Size and fragrance need to supply the missing clues. And while there is slim to none in the fragrance department now that could all change.

I will be moving it in the fall though since I need that spot for the real Eglantyne
librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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Oursteelers, Tess opens up to more of a fluffy pompom shape and it wants to be a climber (is a climber in my garden). I'll try to get a photo.
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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Oursteelers, are you moving locally ?
librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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librarian_gardner_8b_pnw
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Tess is also seriously thorny.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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That is too funny! I do feel the same way. Librarian, those are out out outstanding pictures of Tess that capture her bloom and color perfectly.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Got another measage from Austin and they think it is Sir John Betjeman. I’ve never even heard of that one!
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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Ha ha Oursteelers, now it sounds like they are just making up names.

I feel the same way about moving. If I ever do move again it will be grab my toothbrush and everything else stays. It will freak people out thinking that they missed the raprure.
strawchicago z5
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I grew Darcy Busell before, and oursteelers 8B PNW's pics. look most like Darcy (glossy foliage, tiny brown prickles that are spaced apart, plus dark-red blooms). Darcy doesn't have much scent, and can have more than 80 petals if enough calcium.

I have L.D. Braithwaite as 2nd year own-root: BRIGHT RED COLOR (similar to Tess), but more greenish prickles and twice more vigorous than Tess.

My Tess as 5th-year own-root have prickles just like what librarian posted, plus bright red blooms, see below Tess:

Below are VERY DENSE prickles on 5 feet octopus canes of L.D. Braithwaite (bright red blooms), blooms open with lesser myrrh scent than Tess, then scent is gone completely.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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My Darcey often shows her stamens.
portlandmysteryrose
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It definitely could be Falstaff. Shape, color, thorn quantity, petal count.

In my opinion, Falstaff is very fragrant! Old rose scent. If that helps.

Carol
oursteelers 8B PNW
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I guess I will just have to wait and see if it develops any scent. It seems weird to me that they think it is Sir John-a completely untalked about rose that seems very surprising to me that would just be hanging around in the hustle and bustle of shipping.

Breeding and research area maybe….
berrypiez6b
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On HMF a few of the photos of Sir John look like a very close match to your rose.

Someone's post awhile back, they accidently got an Austin Summer Song- what are the odds of that ! I wish that would happen to me.

My Paul Neyron is a sly character, he likes to impersonate half a dozen other roses.

The Fang bush still has not shown any desire to bloom. it will be a long wait until Spring to determine exactly what rose it is. It just sits there folding it's thorny arms defying me in a prime sunny spot. I'd gladly trade for Sir John any day.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Freedom gardens is slated to carry summer song In the future. He is growing it up now.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Vap, do you know if he has plans to carry Mary Magdalene in the future?
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Are you trying to get a third rose to combine shipping!? LOL!!! To my knowledge, he doesnt carry it, but its worth a try to send a quick email asking. If not, LongAgoRoses has it listed on HMF. What a beautiful rose.
Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
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I am not sure if your mystery rose is Darcey Bussell, but I have her and here are leaf and stem shots taken a few moments ago. She only has this one bud right now. The pictures of your bloom are very similar to her blooms with the stamens in the center peaking out a little when she fully opens. Her fragrance ranges from completely non existent to a light old rose honey.
Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
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Darcey Bussell is a mannerly shrub, light on thorns. I found a few pictures from last April.
Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
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I just found DB pics from August of 2020, which show her classic stamen-reveal look. When the weather is hot she has less petals and shows off her stamens more. Maggie is the pink rose with her
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Hmmm, I’m intrigued by those leaves, Stephanie. They look an awful lot like mine to my eyes
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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I wouldnt know what her leaves look like, shes always defoliating here.😣 Yours is glorious @Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Ooh, I just got Maggie from A Reverance for Roses. I was very excited to see her in your picture
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Maggie is a great rose here, so I imagine she will be for you, I hope.
berrypiez6b
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Vaporvac It's ok for Freedom Gardens to propagate Summer Song ?

I looked up Peter Schneider's website; he discourages people in the North from ordering his bands. I guess it's too big a gamble to take , trying to get a new baby rose in Fall through winter in N Idaho. It was a momentary spark of hope, I'm foiled again.

A wet mantis climbed out of the flowers I was watering. I captured him and put him on Madame Anisette - one of the bonuses of hand watering.

Evening news; He's still here.
Diane Brakefield
last year
She, I think, Berrypie. She's got her head. Diane
Diane Brakefield
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And, Summer Song is still under patent, as you suspected. Diane
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Peter only propagates roses for which he has permission to do so, including many European varieties not otherwise available. His contacts are worldwide and he is very well-respected in the rose industry.Just thought Id put folks mind at ease. He specifically states that on his site.🙂
berrypiez6b
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Right you are about HER head Diane. A big cat face spider has constructed a long web stretching down from the roof , attached to a bamboo rose support right by the praying mantis that moved in. There may be a battle.

I think this might be who Cat Face was winding up to have for dinner last night.

Sorry about the distasteful sideline oursteelers , hope you will see the rose mystery solved.
oursteelers 8B PNW
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Oh i don’t mind berry!
ann beck 8a ruralish WA
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It sure looks like Munstead Wood. I do have Eglantyne, so far a bit spindly and BS. My MW had about the same size and amount of prickles as yours its first year, then WOW it really became thorny.
flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
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From the color, few prickles, and shape of the leaves (though not glossy), I submit Wm. Shakespeare 2000.

I grow Eglantyne, and mine is also spindly, sparse and floppy. The bush wants to be tall, but can't support itself, yet not really a climber. The blooms, however, are exquisite and would smell divine in your more humid climate. If I had a do-over, I would give her something to sprawl on. A low wall or boulder would be perfect.
jacqueline9CA
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oursteelers - I love you comment about moving! When my DH and I moved into our house 34 years ago, we both swore we would never move, but go out "horizontally". So far that is still our opinion. Our house is a family heirloom, and full of lots of smaller family heirlooms. I have been successful lately in off loading some of those to our various nephews & nieces, to my surprise. They finally got old enough (50s, with kids) to want to have old family stuff like a set of Minton dishes from 1880, etc. The trick is to wait until they are old enough!

Jackie