Ramblin Red

and

Amadeus

are my two best climbers. neither have full sun, have great spring flushes, but neither rebloom all that well either.

I seem to remember that Zeffy grew Viking Queen in part shade where it bloomed well. Mine are in full sun so no help here. Cl. Clotilde Soupert bloomed fairly well for me in part shade, but balls for many. Ballerina, The Fairy and Phyllis Bide rebloom. My experience is that generally bloom frequency is diminished in shade, proportionate to the shade. Ive come to accept a fabulous long May-June bloom with perhaps a Fall repeat and fill in with other plants such as hydrangea in the interim. I think in places with longer general day length or more intense sun YMMV.

Every time I think I've made a choice, I read more here and add more roses to my list without making any choices!

This spot, it's weird shape, it's a 2.5 ft wide hell strip in front of the concrete walk up to my porch, then it opens into about a 6x6 square, the porch on one side, which is shaded by the roof, and the drive way on the other side, the front of the house in the back. This makes kind of a second hell strip along the driveway. The drainage is sharp on the edges, unrelenting full sun, then it goes right into shade once the sun is over the roof. The middle of it probably gets about 4 hours of sun.

It's a tough spot to get right, I've never succeeded.

It requires large foundation shrubs, but I haven't found anything that likes the sun/shade of it.

The limelight hydrangea I'm taking out is frying, it's just too much sun on the front side of it. Looks great for 3 weeks in spring though, lol.

This is why I'm thinking a big hybrid musk at the back, it should get just enough sun, and it can flop over the porch if it wants to.

I always forget to mention the HM Belinda. Great rose that grows and intermingles with BubbleBath. Also remember The Fairy, Phyllish Bide, Marjorie Fair, WindChimes, Pink Pet (especially PP) Garden Direktor Otto Linne and Excellenz von Schubert

I'm starting to lean towards Darlow's Enigma for the musk because it gets big and is fragrant. I think Denae is another good option, and Dr. Robert Korns (Aptos)The back one, in the most shade can be pretty big, especially if I can train it in the direction I want, up and to the sides rather than forward.

Initially I was thinking Cornelia, but it's not one of the bigger ones, or the most fragrant from what I'm seeing.

Oh yeah, Darlow and Danae are great ones if thorny. .

Thorny might be the one thing that informs my choice between all these hybrid musks. I think Moonlight and Autumn Delight are not so thorny. See, this is why I can't choose, lol.

I hate Houzz I just lost all my pictures that I was posting of pink pet, ballerina, climbing Pinky, and Cornelia. Also wanted to know if you grew Marie pavie. That makes a nice bush here.

Aww, and I want to see those! I have Marie Pavie on my list. The only roses in my own garden currently are Tottering By Gently, Westerland and Perle d'Or. I thought Perle was small, I was going to keep it in a pot on my deck for fragrance, but I've since read it's not a small bush, so I think it will probably find it a spot in this new front bed.

Oh, and I have a teeny, tiny band of Lyda from RVR. Are her bands always so tiny? I'm still not convinced it's going to survive the winter.

Her recommendation is Cornelia. I read elsewhere here Felicia is the most fragrant, but Callisto is yellow, which I love. How does one ever chose?

I've ordered from David Austin directly, from RVR, and from High Country Roses. DA are huge bare root, always do magnificently almost immediately. HCR were potted, surprised me how fast they took of and increased in size by at least a third in a few months. RVR was the tiny band, that has barely grown.

I like her selection, but I'm not terribly inclined to order there again.

I think she is probably best for those Rarities not found elsewhere. I love Antique Rose Emporium, David austin, long ago roses, High Country roses and freedom Gardens. Freedom Gardens are the smallest sometimes but they have all done very well even receiving them quite late in the season in the fall. Oh, Burlington is also excellent. I forwarded a couple times from heirloom when they were on sale and those were lovely roses.

I have never heard of autumn delight. I need to look that one up.

I don't see Thisbe available in the US. I can't find Burlington's list. It used to be on his website, but now it redirects to HMF, and no list?

I just sent him an email asking for the list, and if he ships in fall.

Pink Pet

Cornelia

Just an FYI, Burlington g is a she.😉

Well that doesn't help me narrow anything down! They're all so fantastic! Your garden looks magical.

Pink pet is on a North facing wall at the base in a virtual zone 5. I have five of them there and they all do well and Bloom their little hearts out.

Darn you Reb, I went into my email to see if I could upload Burling's current list, and got sidetracked looking through her selection again and ended up emailed her about buying another rose. As if I need yet another. What am I doing with my life, lol.

I ask myself that all the time! LOL! 1 not yet mentioned is buff beauty. . Long ago roses highly recommends it and I have read that it does well in shade...

I have looked at Buff Beauty also.

There are 3 places that have Verdun right now, I don't know anything about any of them.

A Reverence For Roses, Petals From The Past, and Rose Petals. Anyone have any thoughts on those places?

I gave ordered from rose petals nursery before and been very pleased.

i think ive also ordered from a reverance for roses but cant remember

Every rose I bought from Burling last summer is now bigger than my 1-gallon Heirloom Roses. And my one rose from Freedom looks like it just died (arrived last November). I am sooo sad. I waited 2 years for that one. Is there anything I can do to revive it? Anyway -- just weighing in to say that Burling gave me amazing, healthy, robust roses.

I am so sad to hear that. All of my roses from Peter have really thrived.

I have ordered from Rose Petals Nursery & A Reverence for Roses often in the past. These are both in FL and so am I, so they come fairly quickly and in good shape.

Rose Petals Nursery usually ships in 1 gallon pots with the pots stapled to the side of the box, they had the whole plant wrapped in a bag to keep the dirt from coming out.

The plants are healthy but a little small but mostly I order Tea Roses which are known to be slow growers.

A Reverence for Roses ships large healthy roses in smaller pots. I believe the shipping was more reasonable with ARfR. The only bad thing about them, is that they are often out of stock lol. I have so much that I want to order from them lol.

It has been a year or so,since I ordered from either of them so I don't know if anything has changed.

New Face and Doctor Robert Korns are the superstars in my shady garden, getting less than 2hrs direct sun. They both are large shrubs and very easy to train horizontally. The spring flushes are amazing, and you can find blooms here and there throughout the season. DRK is very clean, no disease at all. NF has slightly better repeat.

They're snuggling together. Photo taken on 6/28.

I've found smaller flowering roses tend to do better with less sun. Polyanthas and such. My guess is it's because small blooms don't need as much energy to produce. And they're less susceptible to balling.

Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley, I was looking for a comment you made last week and can't find it. Did you say Penelope blooms earlier but Cornelia blooms longer for you?

Cornelia is early and profuse, while Felicia is more fragrant and has somewhat better repeat. My Penenlope died in my virtual Z5 position.

I decided yesterday the only real solution here is to get all 3. When they come I'll just have to pick a spot and plant and stop obsessing over which one where, lol.

I almost ordered them yesterday to pot up and hold for a month, but I read we're supposed to have a very cold winter this year, so now I'm thinking I'll wait for spring. Last winter was so warm my brain got carried away, lol.

I did impulse buy a few very cheap things I saw on sale. A double pink drift rose and a couple of Proven Winners Rise Up Lilac Days. Sometimes those cheap fillers surprise you with how good they are. RULD is new, so no reviews, but it seemed worth a shot.