-- The Look In a kitchen "petite" like ours, two parallel runs make it visually simple. It's a straight line walkthrough with no doors. Three or four drawer-cabinets make a clean sight line. All in a row. The entrance hallway at one end, and lots of sunlight at the other end. On hettich.com and blum.com it's a clean look (showing islands not galleys with walls). We will keep one wall uncluttered and use glass and mirrors to increase natural light. On another wall we will have horizontal uppers (hiding the vent hood inside). We would hide any small appliance that found its way into our space. If we decide to have a cabinet, we'll build the facade out of drawers bolted together at the back, to keep the same look. -- Loss of space I believe frameless cabinets have rails that take up about 1.5" space (width). The loss in width compared to having shelves is negligible. In my current face-frame cabinetry the loss in width is about 5 inches (!) I'm not an expert and I'm not playing one here either. These are my figures based on a little bit of observation. I'll be glad to know more from anyone who has details or breadth of experience. -- Trade-Off if all drawers Glad to know that someone else is wondering about "stacking things as well". "As well in drawers as on shelves", I presume. I'm thinking that we'll need Internal drawers inside a few of the deep drawers. -- Storing Noxious Odor Products In the drawer under the sink I'll keep cleaning products in a sealed container so their odors don't get out much. We don't have many different products. We have a huge entry closet where we keep shoe care stuff -- that is where I'd keep some of the cleaning stuff if it became a concern; e.g. 8 feet from the kitchen. -- Storing Tall Things We could have a 4" wide pullout for these, next to the wall oven column. In a utility room where the water heater is 15 ft from the kitchen, we keep tall things like Swiffers. -- Height Inside for Big or Odd Shapes The front of the deepest IKEA drawer is 12.75" high. I'll go see at IKEA if inside is enough height for tall pasta boxes and storage containers. I'm inclined to believe it'll suffice. A cute narrow olive oil bottle might need to be stored slanted or somewhere else. Our blender comes in two parts each weighing 2 lb; we'll lift it out manually. We mix by hand as we believe this lets us practice what the gym has prepared us for. -- Bulk Buying We buy in bulk in the Fall, and I expect our deep drawers will hold this stuff. We currently have about 12 cu.ft. storage for All our food outside the fridge. After reno, our kitchen will have double its current storage volume so I'm not worried. -- Plumbing Hiding the plumbing is a fascinating topic once you get into it. You get to save space, and you get one more advantage. You hear less noise water makes when it goes through the P trap. Under the sink I'll weld a tight elbow to turn the sink waste on a horizontal line going to the back wall. Using copper it takes very little space under the sink. Once the waste line reaches the back it turns down to go to the P trap. Tight elbows are used as WC closet bends and in those combo dishwashers-with-sinks in their top. I'll use the same configuration to free up space for my drawers. It is code and legal; it is almost never done and almost never even thought of. I did this under a bathroom sink to hide the plumbing. The 3" countertop floats in space wall to wall no support under it. No plumbing visible either. Out of sight, out of mind. Gurgling noises are reduced or 99% eliminated. The P trap is behind two tight turns in the sink drain pipe. So you don't hear any "plup plup plip plip" noises which can be an irritant. The dishwasher connection Wye will be on the back wall near the P trap. The dishwasher's draining noises are then also reduced or virtually eliminated. To get access (occasionally) I'll slide the drawers out and remove them. So, Getting at the pipes may not be a concern, unless I haven't considered something.... -- Garbage disposal Never had one. Have never heard one in operation at anyone's house. It doesn't bother me much that I may never know what a disposer can do. Don't know anyone who has one. It's just not on my radar. gwent, "lots of GW'ers here love the all drawers" - i haven't seen that, so far. owls4me, thank you for calling me a king of planning. Thank you midwestmom, lowspark, jejvtr, gwent, circuspeanut, owls4me, poorowner, fwhartford, terriks, danielle00 and all GW. -- David

Thanks for answering! The apartment is a co op, size wize it's a small studio in NY. The apartment is not in Manhattan! It's in an apartment building built in the 50's. I'm guessing, but think it's the original faucet, and toilet. The faucet in tub is 3 piece, cold/hot/turn for shower. The toilet has hose that directly goes into the wall, and is very low. She plans on replacing toilet, probably because of me needing a comfort level height. As far as the hot water, initially I really thought there was none in the tub, turned it several times and each time it just would do a 360, when it does turn on the hot waster it acts how I expect a faucet to work, and does have a limit yo how much it will turn.

Yes, they are on the Lowe's website but I also have not been able to find them on line for pricing purposes. Let me know if you discover anywhere.

Cool. Your husband has an active imagination. My imagination has me picturing all the bruises I'd get from leaning on those knobs, but I really do like them better! The first one is kinda traditional artsy. The second looks like modern artsy, like made out of nails. Watts Towers artsy. Which are also cool, but really a different style.