HELP PLEASE…Pot culture for late spring planting of bare root rose
I recently moved and brought 3 of my roses with me. They will need to live in the 22” pots for about a year while I search for the right house. I recently learned that David Austin will no longer carry The Dark Lady, my favorite Austin. In case any of you recall my prior post you will recall that I bored everyone declaring her performance in my Texas climate. Austin/Tyler agreed to send me 2 bare root plants if I waved the warrenity.
I received and planted them about a week+ ago. I piled compost up their canes to keep them moist until they develpe feeder roots. I have no idea of this was correct and I have no idea how long before I should pull it down. Currently the canes have swelling leaf buds. My concern is that the canes have looked grayish green except when they are damp. The slightest mist and they turn emeral green as is normal.
If anyone has experience or suggestions with this late season planting of bare roots in pots please share. I know several of you speak of your pot gettos so I am hopeful you will chime in.
They arrives as strong healty plants with stong root systems but Texas is fast heating up.
Pictue is of one spray of DL cut in August from my Dallas plant.
Thanks friends, BR
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Comments (13)I'm counting on unusual weather to help my late bare-root plantings....... I really have no way of knowing, but here's my story: I received a Redhaven from Stark Bro's on 5/16/14, it had some HUGE roots, but virtually no little "feeder" roots. It had a tiny green dot at about 2" above the graft. Now (25 days later) that little dot is a couple leafs about 1 1/2" long. But nothing going on anywhere else on the tree - nowhere! If it doesn't get better in awhile I'll get it replaced. Stark has a good policy that way. After that I got 2 more peach trees and a cherry tree on 5/24/14 from Stark Bro's. They were just starting to show some real tiny green leaf in several places upon arrival. All three of these are looking PERFECT 17 days after planting. Lots of growth and all that. So, given that I went on ahead and ordered two more apple trees that will ship from them on 6/13/14. I don't know if they'll work out, I'm just going by the fact that a big place like Stark is still shipping so I figure they must think they'll survive. BUT.., if they don't - they'll replace them. So for me, at the bargain basement sale price that some of these trees are coming in at, I'm taking the gamble. I may be missing something (like stress on the tree and future impact of that, etc) but if I'm not, I figure all I'm out is the time and effort to plant them. If it doesn't pan out, I get to do it all over again. It's no big deal. But sometimes I just can't pass on a bargain........See Morebare root planting help
Comments (6)I would pot it up in a nice large pot and keep it well watered and fertilized. You can over-winter it in your unheated garage and plant it next spring, or keep it as a potted rose. I've found that my more tender roses tend to prefer this approach. Another option would be to plant it but mound the canes with mulch. Since it is a bare root, you need to keep the canes well hydrated until the new feeder roots develop - whether it is in a pot or in the ground. Otherwise you risk dehydration, which can kill the rose. After 4 or 5 weeks, the rose will send out new growth and you can gradually (and carefully!) remove the mulch. I've been able to successfully establish a late-planted potted bareroot rose by wrapping the canes in a layer of burlap, and keeping the burlap moistened daily, since it is more difficult to keep mulch mounded on the canes of a potted rose. You can also make a collar of cardboard or plastic to hold the mulch in place in the pot (sort of like a dessert souffle!). What do you other folks think?...See MoreSafe to plant bare root roses?
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoBob I have grown Austin’s since they arrived in US. I agree, some do well other not as well. I like the shrub roses for an English garden look and once Austin was the ones to provide that. I have lived in Houston, Dallas and now back to Austin. Some that were keepers in Houston shriveled in the Dallas 97- 100 temps. Hopefully I left some if not all of the RRD behind. I understand Dallas has always been the hot seat for that disease. The Dark Lady was a standout in Dallas and Houston, glad to hear she does well in Austin. Abe Darby is also hard to beat for bloom power but can ball in Houston humidity. I tried Evelyn when she first came to the States years ago and she was a poor Houston bloomer for me; but In Dallas, she never stopped and was my best producer. Could have been a poor bush in H since she was a new development. When I grew her in Dallas, time had passed and she was considered one of the older varieties. Do you know if she is good in Austin?
Munson was much loved by many in Dallas; she got almost black in Dallas high heat which is good or bad depending on your taste
Rosemantic Pink is an outstanding new shurb rose from Palatine. one of the 3 that I brought tomAustin.. She has been in bloom since I got here the end of Dec. Not an exciting photo but she was only transplanted to that pot in early
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Below is Constance Spry and Variagata d' B. in SF
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