I am in coastal New Hampshire, and have exactly the same problem. I have 2 pagoda dogwoods, 3 years old so still small, about 4 feet. The tree that is at a lower elevation where the soil is slightly more moist has terrible drooping leaves. The other tree has healthy appearing leaves but in the last few days many have developed small holes. We had no issues with deer or other animals, and had snow cover all winter. The spring weather conditions have been similar to CT. I will also try to post photos, but also new to this site and not sure yet how to do that. Thanks for the help.

This is quite an old post . . . this may get lost. When you posted a link to this forum I just looked at the pic you added, I didn't go to the link of LL's greenhouse. Looks as tho we have two different plants. I have the one that blooms yellow flowers w/red tips, called *Black Pagoda LLG*. The foliage on mine looks different than yours as well. But that may be bc you grow yours outside. Mine isn't as compact, it has much longer stems with less leaves on each stem. Other info I read said they bloom in spring and summer, and depending on the light they have been known to bloom in the winter as well. Mine bloomed a few weeks ago and there is still 4 buds yet to open. Also, I noticed in the photo the leaves don't have a lot of the maroon veining, which makes sense as it blooms on new growth. That is one beautiful plant you have, you're doing a great job. It's gorgeous. Thanks again for the help.

Maybe cold to C. paniculatum and not to everything else. Or a C. p. seasonal thing. Update: They eventually became leafless, remained otherwise healthy. Leaves started in March, grew slowly. Rapid growth started with hot weather. With regard to sun vs water : This morning, the one in sun was wilting, the many in shade not. Now afternoon, leaves happily defiant of sun's relentless attempt to fry, because continuous trickling water at base. I would like to relocate this C. paniculatum. It is young, of one stalk, 3' tall, has big leaves. Please tell me what reactions to expect of it, stated in time frames of days and weeks.

Pagoda is an Erythronium hybrid. But your description of the seeds sounds like true lily, or Lilium. I can't explain that. To grow Erythroniums from seed, you will need to be patient. It takes 3 or more years for them to bloom from seed. Sow the seed in Fall, in moist potting mix at around 60-65F. After about two weeks at this temperature, they are ready for winter chilling at around 40F. This can be outdoors or in the fridge. Do not allow the potting mix to dry out at any time. I place my containers in a sealed plastic bag, to keep them moist. The grasslike seedlings will germinate in early Spring, and will need lots of light to produce healthy bulbs. I grow them under fluorescents at around 55-60F. I fertilize with bone meal and soluble plant food. In a couple of months, the seedlings will go dormant (the foliage will turn brown). This is a clue that no more water is needed. If the dormant bulbs are stored in wet soil and warm temps, you may lose them all. Store the container with the mix and the tiny bulbs in a cool dry place until Fall, then water and place in a cold (40F) place until Spring. The plants will emerge in early Spring and need the same treatment as before. The container can also be plunged into a partly shaded area of your garden, but this is risky because of slugs and other pests.