Cannabis has much lower amounts of THC than Mary Jane. It doesn't get you high. I don't know about grumpy. Cannabis is being used for pain and as a sleep aid. I do know a few people taking it, but not sure if any are using gummies, I know a couple are using drops. Personally, I think I would try it before a narcotic type drug for pain. I actually have a friend who was diagnosed with adult onset epilepsy and he is on a new drug (approved by the FDA) that contains cannabis. It supposed to help with seizures.

But in answer to your question, the people I know that are using cannabis do not seem grumpy. I hope your friend is buying her gummies from a reputable source. There are all kinds of little CBD stores that have popped up. I would not purchase anything there. We have drug stores that sell CBD.

Most people I know who partake enjoy life and Doritos.

They also say that gummies are not as strong as smoking today’s pot. I smoked some in the 80/90’s and enjoyed it. Smoking today’s stuff just give me stomach issues. My friends who partake say the gummies are milder.

Tina, who told you that edible cannabis has lower THC?

Interesting article

"The Effects of Ingesting Cannabis Can Be More Intense than Inhaling Cannabis For some people, the effects of edible cannabis can be more intense than inhaling a similar dose of dried cannabis. This intensity is partly because when you ingest THC, your liver turns it into a stronger form. With edible cannabis, both the THC from the original product and the stronger form of THC produced by your liver can influence the intensity of the high."

Plus, you can buy different strengths and take as much as you want. She does have a prescription and I'm sure she buys from a reputable dealer/seller. SIL has been using it for two years, and I'm sure has tried all they offer.

When I googled cannabis and it's side effects like anger, there are dozens of websites about it.

I just remembered something. In my early 20's a guy at a party I was at had to go to the ER for eating too many marijuana brownies. He was fine. :)

My DH has found that cannabis is the only thing other than opiates (which he steadfastly refuses) that helps with his pain from spinal stenosis. He buys THC gummies (legal in our province.) They have never made him grumpy or irritable and not even "high." Just takes his pain away and if anything he is a little more mellow than he used to be, but still functions normally. . Maybe your SIL is taking too much and should really talk to a doctor about dosage, especially if she is taking other medication. There are many different strengths and dosages and I am not qualified to reccomend anything. I think in this day and age, with all the indications that THC works well for so many people, if a doctor is not willing to discuss it, I would change doctors

Actually, I am assuming what she is taking is CBD because that is what is legal. The below is from Healthline, but if you will look on the NIH site (National Institute of Health) there are multiple articles. No one person told me CBD is lower, but when it became legal here there was lots of info reported on CBD, Hemp, Marijuana, etc. Actually I get confused on what is what, but I believe CBD/Hemp are lower. I don 't know anyone who does gummies, the people I know who use CBD use the drops, which would also be "ingested".

From Healthline:

CBD

Cannabidiol (CBD) is a cannabinoid that’s become increasingly popular since hemp was federally legalized. Many people use CBD products because CBD is said to have numerous health benefits.

CBD is found in some amount in all cannabis plants. That means it can be derived from either hemp or marijuana.

However, CBD products are only federally legal if they’re derived from hemp and contain less than 0.3 percent THC.

@nekotish, I feel for your DH! My dad had spinal stenosis and my brother does too. My brother is in a wheelchair after surgery for his. He is 50. I'm glad the CBD helps your DH.

Tina, you didn't disagree with Neko's post about her husband taking THC Gummies, so why me? ;) I suggest you read more on it.

It's legal here. Medical marijuana has much more THC than CBD. That's why many states won't legalize it. Oklahomans were shocked the people voted for it. Anybody can buy CBD but not medical cannabis. Big difference.

Nekotish, I'm also happy it helps your DH. It does for a lot of people, including my SIL. But it makes her go silent and irritable.

If I were you, I'd start referring to Cannabis and not CBD.

I tried to edit but Hz wouldn't let me. Nekotish, I think she does take other meds.

Tina, I'd start calling what we're talking about as "Cannabis or THC" and not CBD. Just a head's up.

I would also think the pain is what has made her irritable. Or maybe it's being off the morphine? Have you asked her how the gummies work for her -- either out of concern for her or curiosity about the gummies themselves?

It's possible the pain could make her irritable, except I can tell when she's hurting. Also, from everything I've read, cannabis can make people experience many negative side effects. But the public only hears about the positive. I'm not talking about pot that can be bought off the street that's super potent and laced with who knows what.

The gummies work for her and I'm sure she takes a lesser med with them instead of morphine. But she's been on some type of opioid for years. The wreck she had bought their house, it was that bad. You'd never know by looking at her but the pain can be debilitating at times.

I'll confess. About a year ago when I was asking her about the gummies she asked if I wanted to try one. They're small, and I only had a 1/4 of it because I don't like to imbibe in anything. Except champagne with strawberries. :)

Never again. Ever ever ever. Boy did I get high but not a high I enjoyed. That's why it's prescribed. If I had driven we'd been in a ditch. lol Once we got home I started feeling super depressed and a feeling I can't describe, maybe deja vu? And you can buy it in different potencies and the person selling it will tell you what type of high each brand gives you.

You can even buy joints! I would only use it as a last resort.

I think people who regularly take marijuana for pain tend to develop a very high tolerance.

It can aggravate anxiety too.

I wouldn't assume the 'grumpiness' is from the gummies, tho. She may be depressed and from what you described, she has plenty of reason to be.

AFAIK, pot isn't too much help with depression.

@Oakley I didn't disagree with you or with anyone taking it. I don't need to read more on the topic unless I or someone I love is planning on using it. My mother took medical marijuana when she had pancreatic cancer. It didn't do her much good and made her feel worse, so she didn't use it long. Her dr. prescribed it and she could only get the prescribed strength/dose. I believe it can affect people differently.

Perhaps I'm using the wrong term. It's confusing and you've referred to cannibus, THC gummies and medical marijuana for your SIL so I'm not even sure what is what.

It's not unusual for people in that kind of pain to act differently. I hope you can remain close to your SIL. It would be awful to live with constant pain. Her actions are not towards others, but probably from her pain or possibly the gummies. But the important thing is whether they help her or not.

As someone that lives with a husband in constant pain, it is the pain causing her to be grumpy. She is also most likely depressed. DH has three strengths of CBD gummies he can take during the day, but seldom does. It is important to buy from a store that knows the medical side of helping a customer, not focused on making another sell. He was told to start with half of X, and that it would not take away the pain, just make him not focus on it as much. If half worked, go up to a whole gummy. He takes something stronger before bedtime so he can sleep, and often takes another half during the night when he gets up so he can go back to sleep. Finding what works for (you) is key and takes a little patience.

Tina, I was confused too. It took me awhile to figure out that Hemp is of the same species of marijuana with the high levels of THC, but Hemp is a different plant which has lower levels, and why CBD oil is easy to buy.

I won't walk away from my SIL though.

Allison, before she started gummies she was never grumpy. Let me put it this way, she gets moody. She told me there are times she sleeps all day because of the gummies. The few times we've been at her house after she's had one, she zones out. Still awake but like a zombie. Gets completely silent which is so unlike her. Maybe that's a normal reaction for some people, that's what I was trying to figure out.

SIL has suffered from depression for years and I bet the gummies could be making it worse.

Tina, it can be very confusing..

CBD gummies have very little to no THC. This is why they can be freely purchased from stores/online companies. They do not require a prescription and are used as sleep aids, mood enhancers and for mild pain (though i think the topical products are more used for pain like arthritis).

Medical marijuana legal in only some states CAN come in gummy form -- usually referred to generically as "edibles" and do contain THC. You need a medical marijuana card to purchase in states where medical marijuana has been legalized -- which requires justification from your doctor. PA has legalized medial marijuana but NOT edibles. The folks i know who have obtained cards have it for anxiety/depression and chronic migraines.

Obviously in states that have fully legalized marijuana, you can buy anything with no need for a medical card.

@Oakley it sounds like what she is taking during the day is too strong. She should only be taking a half or a lower dosage.

DH has used topicals, but lately isn't using as much as they don't seem to be helping at all.

There are lots of products. Some are THC only, some are CBD only, and some are a mix of both. So ”gummies” are not all the same and obviously each type has a different effect(s).

Thank you Funky. Mom didn't have a marijuana card, but she had a prescription (pill form). All this was handled through Hospice though, plus it was over 10 years ago. IIRRC, she also had a topical form that could be rubbed on the wrists. They tried it with her for pain and nausea. She had better success with the topical. It's not legal in our state.

My dad dealt with pain from his spinal stenosis as his got worse, but he refused to take a narcotic. I believe he used an arthritic type (prescription) drug, which did help, to some extent. My brother deals with daily pain from his stenosis. He waited too long to have surgery and the nerves were damaged. It is hard to watch someone live with daily pain : (

I have not read every response but wanted to say that gummies that are not just CBD are pretty strong. I haven't had any but know from others that they can be much stronger than smoking marijuana.

I think eating edibles are a much better alternative to opioids any day of the week. I also know people who use THC in place of benzodiazepines for anxiety. I also think this is also a much better alternative.

Allison, you're probably right, she's taking too much in the daytime. Some people use the edibles because they lke the high. Not me!

Sue, I'm talking about THC which requires a prescription.

AK, now that I've had both gummies and opioids (after surgery and such), I choose opioids. lol It's just a nice feeling and gave me energy.

You all should read the effects cannabis can give you down the road. Not good.

THC doesn’t require a prescription everywhere, just FYI.

I have nothing to add regarding medical or recreational marijuana products and their use, except that there are many many varieties, strains, strengths, and formulations- sativa, indica, edibles, tincture, etc etc. I don’t know much about it and use it only very occasionally (recreationally) at this point in my life.
Many dispensaries ( at least where I live) have onsite medical personnel to advise patients and help them find what works best. I have no actual experience with this.
My suggestion is that perhaps your SIL can consult a chronic pain specialist who is an MD, as well, if she is not already doing so.

And perhaps a mental health professional, if not already doing so?

Sue, where pot is legal for recreational use of course you don't need a prescription. If you mean the thc in cbd oil which is easy to buy, the thc level is very low and can't be compared to regular pot or gummies, either legal or by prescription. How did such an easy topic become so complicated? Unless you mean buying pot illegally?

All I wanted to know is if anyone is familiar with negative moods due to pot/pot edibles aka cannabis with lots of THC in them. :)

SIL sees a pain specialist along with her other doctors. If she thought she needed a therapist I'm sure she'd go, but she's totally aware of what's going on and does deal with it pretty good.

I wonder, maybe it has nothing to do with the gummies? Is she menopause age? That can really mess with your personality! HA! Just a thought.

The tiny bit of thc in those cbd drops they sell absolutely will not make you high, not even one tiny little bit! OTOH, if you can buy medical marijuana, it will get you just as high as when you smoked pot as a teenager, no difference at all! They recently approved the cannabis(edit to say HEMP)/cbd here for sales so we tried it, it has all the nasty taste and all the nasty smell of smoking a doob without any of the fun...HAHA! I compare it to drinking an O'doul's beer. It tastes like it and it smells like it but it ain't it! HA! In our state, there are some conditions that can buy the medical marijuana if you have an RX, pain is one condition. There are very few places that sell it. So far, recreational marijuana has been voted out...people are working on it but so far it's a no go. Personally I can see no reason why not, if a person can legally drink alcohol then how is MJ any different?

ADDED: The names make it confusing even to me and I have investigated this since my husband has arthritis pain and was going to try using it. I get cannabis and hemp mixed up. OK so hemp is what they sell to anyone here in Ohio, I guess maybe you have to be of a certain age, it does not make you in the least bit high or anything from what I can tell. We bought a couple of those hemp cigs to try and found it to be useless. I guess "cannabis" is what they say when they mean what I think of as marijuana.

Sorry I have no experience with the gummies. I have a friend that uses med. marijuana for back pain and doesn't make her anything but stoned. Bad thing is that you cannot use something like that if you have to drive or go to work because it absolutely does make you high if you smoke it.

Oakley, you said:

“Sue, I'm talking about THC which requires a prescription” ??? i think that is what Sue responded to. (sorry Sue if i misintetpreted). This thread is making my head spin!

I will say that marijuana often tended to increase my anxiety, and sometimes seemed to make me feel depressed when I did it. I believe that's not uncommon.

Oakley, there are many possible reasons for your SIl’s depression. Rather than trying to diagnose it yourself with the help of Dr. Google you could probably help best by encouraging her to go back to her prescribing physician. She may need a referral to a mental health specialist, have her dose or medication changed, or reexamined for other problems. I know you act only with loving intention, but that’s my 2 cents.

Try this, it works for me https://www.google.com/search?q=thump+your+thymus&client=safari&channel=mac_bm&sxsrf=ALiCzsZbKxHV-siDcLuUv2toaayUWGAHbg%3A1655480899776&source=hp&ei=Q6KsYpWmK9yZptQPg6SviA0&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAYqywU7sYHHp5ZIndVBKueBXrfhBIOEcA&oq=thump+your+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCC4QgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAeEBYyBQgAEIYDOgQIIxAnOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOg4ILhCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoICC4QsQMQgwE6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOggILhCABBDUAjoLCC4QsQMQgwEQ1AI6CAgAEIAEELEDOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoICC4QgAQQsQM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEK8BOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARDRAzoNCAAQgAQQsQMQRhD5AToHCAAQgAQQCjoLCC4QgAQQxwEQ0QNQAFi3HWDeQGgAcAB4AIABswWIAYMPkgELNC41LjAuMS4wLjGYAQCgAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

Circling back for a moment. Pain makes people grumpy. And not just people. Not to sound irreverant, or compare your SIL to a dog, but there is a reason vets put muzzles on even the sweetest dog that is in acute pain.

I hope you SIL has better days ahead.

Extended periods of cannibas smoking and the malaise to your personality that sets in is a documented long term affect. IDK if gummies and CBD will have the same affect over time. It's really sort of new to know. I agree it's the pain. Chronic pain coupled with hopelessness to 'fix' it can be personality changing. I would look to that as the fuel for the anger. In honor of the years you two have been best friends I hope you can find a way to see past the effects of pain and find your friend.

I've started looking into this to see if it could help with my pain and sleeping. I came across this article: https://www.forbes.com/health/body/best-cbd-gummies/ which talks a bit about the cbd, full spectrum vs broad spectrum vs isolates. Thc quantity is limited so you don't get high with it. Some add other stuff to it such as melatonin to help with sleep, so you need to be sure you are getting what you are looking for. Also you want to note the dosage as some are much stronger than others. And as it's the wild west out there with this stuff, you want to find those that are 3rd party tested to make sure they are what they claim to be.

I haven't tried it yet but will let you know when I do and with what result. Dr suggested only taking it at night as it can make you drowsy. We'll see.

CBD is counter indicted with my prescriptions so please always check with your doctor before trying to self medicate.

For pain I am limited to just Tylenol which often does not touch my post stroke centralized pain syndrone so I used a form of CBT called ACT (Acceptance and Commitment therapy) to help me live well inspite of chronic disability and pain. I also saw a hypno therapist. These therapies also helped with depression and anxiety.

This along with meditation have improved my quality of life beyond measure so if anyone is looking for non medicated ways to deal with chronic pain I highly suggest ACT and hypnosis.