Discussion with StrawChicago about growing roses, health & nutrition
Hope everyone is having a nice autumn! @strawchicago z5, wanted to see if you had any tips for dealing with midge in potted roses? I think I have midge damage on my Princess Charlene de Monaco, which was recently re-potted.
Also any tips on growing potted roses in CA? I am new to potted roses after growing in ground beack east in zone 5. I'm on the coast here in LA in zone 10b, so it doesn't usually go above 80F or below 50F.
Thanks Straw! Here are some pictures of the midge damage on my Princess Charlene.
and here is a random picture of my Abraham Darby blooming to balance out the ugly midge picture above ;)
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoMy Fun in the Sun grew well and bloom lots, looks like Carol's, but often had slightly different colors on each bloom, but it took a break in heat. I really enjoyed Fun in the Sun, but since your summer is more like Carol's you might get her performance.
My Bliss Parfume is NOT happy in a pot. It has very little scent and if I move it , it might have more, but that one is just way down on the list. It is similar to Abraham Darby, but Ab's scent and performance is so much better.
Apricot Candy is so very pretty, with a lovely soft apricot color. Grafted it smells like aprioct candy to me. Mine has mosaic virus and I am going to plant it in the ground anyway. I just love it's soft color and scent. Brendan...wonder if it's color depends on the weather? You might get bright in the heat, I get soft in my cool??? Semi-open buds, with bud. Bolero and pink interior in cool at far back.
Happy Dance, I was finally able to upload a picture!!!!!!
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Comments (66)Carol: I'm happy and proud for Holly. Autistic children are VERY SMART, and VERY GIFTED. Jess: I was puzzled by the 40 lbs. mistake too, I saw your hand in one of the pic., it's a slender hand. I'm happy that it's only 20 lbs., due to the kilograms conversion. Twenty pounds is easy to lose. It took me 6 months to lose 20 lbs. when I had the time to eat salad & apple & carrot & exercise. Then I got busy & get into fast-food & IV myself with juice ... and gained back 20 lbs. WEIGHT-LOSS is a life-long-habit to MAINTAIN, rather than a goal to achieve. People achieve that goal, go back to the old habits, and re-gain all-over again. Jim: Thanks for that link on processed meat, I read the entire article. I wish it would say how many people were involved in that study, or how many test-subjects. Re-post info. from Huffingpost on tips to lose weight: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tips-losing-weight_562e8606e4b00aa54a4ab51b "Aim for 20 to 35 grams of fiber a day from plant foods, since fiber helps fill you up and slows absorption of carbohydrates. " Portion control: Popular “100-calorie” food packages do the portion controlling for you Eating mindfully means giving full attention to what you eat, savoring each bite, acknowledging what you like and don’t like, and not eating when distracted (such as while watching TV, working on the computer). Chew slowly, and savor each bite: Keep in mind also that the most pleasure often comes from the first few bites of a food; after that, it’s the law of diminishing returns. Thus, you should focus on those first few tastes of chocolate, cake, or other indulgences, as this may be enough to satisfy. Get protein in all meals: Some research suggests that distributing your protein throughout the day also helps in weight loss, rather than eating the bulk of it at, say, dinnertime. According to a 2015 paper in theAmerican Journal of Clinical Nutrition, higher-protein diets that include at least 25 grams of protein at each meal may reduce appetite and thus body weight, compared with lower-protein diets. Limit variety at meals. Don’t drink your calories. Allow for (controlled) indulgences. Consider weighing yourself regularly—at least once a week." Huffington Post Tips. **** From Straw: I agree with the above. My lowest weights were achieved when I snacked on high-fiber & high-protein cereal with soy milk ... with at least 35 gram of fiber per day. Also at least 25 g. of protein for each meal, be it peanut-butter or eggs for breakfast, beans for lunch, or fish/meat for dinner. I gained weight whenever I forget to weigh myself at least once a week. Really love their tip of " Keep in mind also that the most pleasure often comes from the first few bites of a food; after that, it’s the law of diminishing returns." So true, I really enjoy the first 4 bites of peanut-butter toast, that's all I can remember ... the rest was just to fill my stomach. Dolly Parton stays slim with her life-long habit, she eats 3 bites of a yummy food, and NO MORE. Practice portion-control is actually fun, once it becomes a habit. So proud of myself last night, I had a sour fruit, so I grabbed a fig-bar, took 3 bites, it was too sweet ... Instead of finishing that, I told myself "You don't have to eat that, you can give it to God." So I wrapped the rest and put away, GREAT FEELING! It felt good to be in control over a piece of junk, and turning something over to God, rather than torturing my body with that....See More10/30/15: bad habits, good habits, rose & health tips, recipes
Comments (54)Wow!! Carol, I'm happy for you. Heel to toe for 8 steps takes a lot of coordination, and YOU DID IT. When my kid was 4 years old, she would be so happy when I lost weight on the scale ... health for my friends cheer me up more than roses. I'm elated when I heard Garran home & healthy, and I'm happy about rain for Jess & no more thorns in her toe. I am happy when my daughter is happy. I'm sure that's how God, our Father in heaven, feels .. He's happy when His children (us) are happy. My kid has a friend came over today (same age). The friend was on Ensure (canned nutrition with soy milk) .. her skin was clean this past summer. I did research on soy milk and thyroid disorder, yes, there's a slight link, esp. with carrageenan added. So I e-mailed this teenager info., and her nutritionist switched this gal from Ensure (soy-based) to Kefir (fermented cow-milk). Fast forward today, this friend gets pimples on her face. I feel bad since the bad news about dairy didn't come out until this year. I google thoroughly when I switched my child from soy-milk to cow milk .. could not find a link between cow milk and acne until recently. But I learn something: always look at how many people are involved in any study. The thyroid & soy link are just a few personal testimonies, versus the below: " The famous Nurse's Health Study examining health habits of 47,000 nurses found that those who drank more milk as teenagers had much higher rates of severe acne than those who had little or no milk as teenagers. In other studies of over 10,000 boys and girls from 9 to 15 years old, there was a direct link between the amount of milk consumed and the severity of acne." Today I'm back to the diet that I was on when I was skinny: soy milk (new formula without carrageenan) & high fiber cereal ... I feel so much better & more energy. My kid loves her cereal & soy milk. She could NOT handle cow-milk either .. she's lactose-intolerant. I checked on soy milk again before I switch back: if the soy-protein is concentrated, like soy Isolate in faked meat, then it will screw up the thyroid. If the soy is concentrated and made on aluminum equipment, like tofu, then that will UP the risk of Alzheimer's. But soy milk in low dose with cereal, isn't bad ... at least it's freed of hormones, antibiotics, feces, and pus like in cow's milk. Soy milk is easier to digest, plus zero cholesterol. What I like the most is: it smells clean, NOT strong like cow-milk....See MoreWorthy roses that give, useful products & recipes for health & sleep
Comments (141)Vaporvac: Thank you !! I post info. here to help myself & family toward better health. The kelp & iodine info. posted in Feb 2017 helped me to get down to 118 lb. in August 2017. I always snack 2 hours before bedtime, and keep a diary of what's eaten before bedtime and the quality of sleep. I notice that when I had Multigrain Cheerios before bedtime, my sleep quality was poor (zero dreams), plus icky chemical-acrid-after-taste. Then I bought gluten-free FREEDOM ancient grains (rice & corn & sorghum & buckwheat) imported from Australia .. and was surprised how improved my sleep was (with vivid dreams). Glyphosate is known to kill beneficial bacteria in the gut. Other effects are cancer, kidney and liver damage, endocrine/hormonal disruption, autism and depression. https://www.ecowatch.com/monsanto-glyphosate-cheerios-2093130379.html The tests conducted by Anresco were done on 29 foods commonly found on grocery store shelves. According to the report, glyphosate residues were found in: General Mills' Cheerios at 1,125.3 parts per billion (ppb) Kashi soft-baked oatmeal dark chocolate cookies at 275.57 ppb Ritz Crackers at 270.24 ppb Concerns about glyphosate comes as new research shows that Roundup can cause liver and kidney damage in rats at only 0.05 ppb, and additional studies have found that levels as low as 10 ppb can have toxic effects on the livers of fish. The U.S. has set the ADI for glyphosate at 1.75 milligrams per kilogram of bodyweight per day (mg/kg/bw/day) while the European Union has set it at 0.3. https://detoxproject.org/alarming-levels-of-glyphosate-contamination-found-in-popular-american-foods/ On the heels of the growing controversy surrounding glyphosate’s safety, this unique testing project that started in 2015, has found alarming levels of glyphosate in General Mills’ Cheerios and Honey Nut Cheerios, Kellogg’s Corn Flakes, Raisin Bran and Frosted Flakes and PepsiCo’s Doritos Cool Ranch, Ritz Crackers and Stacy’s Simply Naked Pita Chips. https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.fooddemocracynow.org/images/FDN_Glyphosate_FoodTesting_Report_p2016.pdf Glyphosate Food Testing Results: (in parts per billion – ppb) General Mills Original Cheerios - 1,125.3 ppb Honey Nut Cheerios – 670.2 ppb – 14.5 Wheaties – 31.2 ppb Trix - 9.9 ppb Gluten Free Bunny Cookies Cocoa & Vanilla – 55.13* ppb Kellogg’s Corn Flakes – 78.9 ppb Raisin Bran – 82.9 ppb Organic Promise - 24.9 ppb Special K - 74.6 ppb Frosted Flakes - 72.8 ppb Cheez-It (Original) – 24.6 ppb Cheez-It (Whole Grain) – 36.25* ppb Soft-Baked Cookies, Oatmeal Dark Chocolate – 275.58* ppb Nabisco Ritz Crackers – 270.24 ppb Triscuit – 89.68 ppb Oreo Original – 289.47* ppb https://www.bestfoodfacts.org/glyphosate-in-food/...See MoreWhat's the one hardest thing about growing roses where you are?
Comments (90)Here in my Southern Ontario, z5b garden it's hard to choose. SO MANY roses are just marginally hardy here, and so a little bit of extreme winter weather can kill them, whereas most winters will not. A warm period followed by a later freeze can also kill them. So do you take a chance, or do you skip such a vast number of great roses? We have overcast, wet, humid weather here a lot and there is blackspot like crazy. And of course this area is swarming with Japanese Beetles. During the height of their swarms I can pick/shake off over 100 day, which is a lot for my ~20 roses. Some will have none. Some will have dozens. Every year I wonder why I put up with it. Then every June when the first flush hits and before the big problems come I remember why....See More
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoAnn: Your reviews help me a lot, many thanks. Love your pic. of Apricot Candy. Really appreciate your info. about Bliss Parfuma (I love Abraham Darby's scent, won't settle for less). Apricot Candy sold as own-root at High Country Roses (Colorado) will be 1/3 the size of Apricot Candy as grafted. My Betty White as own-root is 1/4 the size of Betty White (grafted-on-Dr.Huey) at rose park, but my own-root has more blooms than their super-tall Betty White.
I see zero advantage of having roses grafted on Dr.Huey unless one has rabbits in the garden that munch on small roses, or hot & dry climate with roses in the ground. Own-roots is smaller for pots & consume less water & has better scent & more petals & more blooms. I'm very annoyed at Belinda Dream's massive size, it's grafted on Dr.Huey thus a long pause between flushes.
Despite my dense clay for French mineral-hogs, I'm annoyed at OWN-ROOT French roses with Graham Thomas (a climber) as the parent .. they are too big at 8 feet tall, and wider than 3 feet, such as: Moonlight Romantica, Dee-lish, Sweet Mademoiselle, Princess Charlene de Monaco. Anything with climber genetics won't be best for pots, such as roses grafted-on-Dr.Huey ... Dr. Huey is a climber/rambler.
Brendan: Many thanks for the tip of chili-powder to repel rabbits. Does it has to be hot chili-powder? I tried cayenne pepper but that didn't work, perhaps not as stinky as chili-powder.
The most compact roses in pots would be FLORIBUNDA as own-roots, such as Purple Lodge (Burlington and LongAgoRoses sell Purple Lodge), see below, it's 2 feet tall in warm zone, or 1 feet tall in cold zone. I can't grow Purple Lodge unless I get rid of rabbits by planting enough rhubarb plants poisonous to them.
https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.51199.1&tab=1
Best for the pots & tons of blooms would be OWN-ROOT floribunda or grandiflora sold at High Country Roses such as Easy Does it (orange/yellow & nice wafting scent), Celestial Night, Twilight Zone. The only draw-back of such floribundas is not much scent, so OWN-ROOT and fragrant SHORT HYBRID TEAS such as Prairie sunrise (orange), Fun in the Sun, Perfume Factory, Rouge Royal, Bronze Star, Apricot Candy would be best for the pot.
My Pink Peace as own-root is 1/3 the size of Pink Peace-grafted-on-Dr.Huey, but Pink Peace as own-root has more petals & more blooms & better scent and require less water. Pink peace (grafted on Dr.Huey) was a blackspot fest & tall and leggy. See below Pink Peace as own-root, less than 2 feet, verus 4+ feet grafted-on-Dr.Huey.
The scent of own-root Pink Peace is twice stronger than Pink Peace grafted. Others noted the same. Bloom has more petals, since the calcium goes to make more petals than growing tall.
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoCarol: So happy to hear you lost 9 lb. You did a great job of taking care of your health !! That made my day (I'm happiest when my life has meaning, that is, I help someone). I looked up your above roses: Glowing inspiration has light scent, Alaiza is very pretty with strong scent and ruffles looking like PcDM. Both Alaiza and Tanglebank are better choices than Moonlight Romantica (boring yellow & bush too tall) and PcDM (becomes single petal if not enough minerals, over 8 feet tall). Tanglebank Legacy grows to 5 feet with orange zillion petals, see below pic. from the web: WOW !!
Brendan: Azomite is alkaline (pH 8) with mostly calcium. When I tested Azomite, it did not UP blooming, but it made giant monsters out of roses, like Marie Pavie went from 2' x 2' to 3'x3', and Crown Princess Mag threw a 10 feet cane. Under alkaline condition and plenty of calcium, roses get VERY TALL .. such as Radio times became 5' x 3' when watered with pH 9 tap-water plus lime in horse manure. Its normal size is 2' x 2.5'.Best way to force blooming: sulfate of potash and gypsum, plus trace elements (chicken manure or Masterblend). Chicken manure is high in boron, copper, zinc, necessary for blooming. Drawback: it's high in salt, thus best in spring only. Masterblend is high in potassium at 38, and it's more soluble potassium for alkaline condition. Chicken manure potassium is 3, not enough.
Best way to force branching (more round-bush), and more blooms: more phosphorus, chicken manure is high in phosphorus but doesn't have the high iron and high manganese of MasterBlend. Masterblend is high in phosphorus at 18. Coop-poop NPK is 4-2-3, but the phosphorus is much higher than what's listed.
Carol and Brendan: Austins that are compact & bloom well in pots are:
Darcy Bussell: Mine bloomed well in a pot as 1st-year-own root, light scent.
Golden Celebration: Best scent ever (smells like cupcakes from the oven), always have blooms in the pot as tiny rooting. The one in pot blooms better than the one in clay. It takes drastic pruning well, blooms best if pruned short after each flush.
Sharifa Asma: So tiny and the scent is stronger than Abraham Darby.
Young Lycidas: Scent is better than Madam Isaac Pereire, bush is tiny, even as grafted-on-Dr.Huey.
The Dark Lady: scent is very good with acidic rain, will be short & compact if grafted on multiflora (cluster-root). Even rose park's Dark-Lady (grafted) is less than 1 foot.
Mustead Wood: thorny but takes drastic pruning well. Even rose park's Munstead wood (grafted) is less than 1 foot. My own-root is bigger than rose-park.
Prospero and Lady Emma Hamilton are both short & small for the pot. Lady Emma is very small as grafted even for Khalid's zone 9b.
The secret to force Austins to bloom is sulfate of potash and gypsum, both are acidic, but Austin likes acidic rain. Sulfate of potash has 18% acidic sulfur plus high potassium at 50 to force blooming, and gypsum has 21% sulfur plus calcium for more petals. Sulfur is also from acidic rain.
Sulfate of potash is best on Amazon as Route 88 Agricultural granular sulfate of potash, or Alpha chemicals (a white powder).
I don't recommend Langbeinite for alkaline CA since it's less acidic and HARDER TO DISSOLVE in alkaline tap water. For CA and for pots, Masterblend NPK 4-18-38 is high in SOLUBLE potassium chloride (dissolves 3 times better than sulfate of potash), plus plenty of trace elements for blooming. One can pile up chicken manure or horse manure on top of pots for trace elements, but that's too salty.
Osmocote PLUS NPK 15-7-12 has enough trace elements for tiny rootings to bloom, but ALONE can't support a huge bush, plus the release is too slow. Thus MasterBlend NPK 4-18-38 is best used to provide high potassium and trace elements to force blooming for pots, in warm CA.
Below is Sharifa Asma as 10th-year own-root, very small with intense scent, it's 1/10 the size of Abraham Darby, the scent is unique & amazing and worth growing for its scent alone:
Below is Young Lycidas (grafted-on-Dr.Huey), the scent is fantastic old rose, bush is very small & compact. My mistake: I didn't put enough gypsum in the planting hole for root growth so it died through winter. All the calcium went to make zillion petals, and not enough calcium for root growth:
Below bouquet on left is Munstead Wood, right are clusters of Young Lycidas, and middle light pinks are James Galway.
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoBrendan: own-root James is a biggest water-hog and a huge bush James is tall climber, got up to 20' one year. It doesn't bloom unless week-long rain .. won't fit a pot.
Golden Cel is very easy to root, even if you get it as grafted-on-Dr.Huey, you get an own-root within 3 months. I cut a Golden Cel. branch and stuck in potting soil mixed with perlite, and it rooted, except my zone 5 is too cold to keep tiny rootings through winter.
My own-root Darcy Bussell didn't have much scent, but Munstead Wood has amazing scent & worth buying. Plus Munstead Wood bloomed well for a friend in Costa Mesa, CA with only 12" of rain. From my past research on Falstaff: can take heat & full-sun well, but needs heavy SOLUBLE fertilizer. Below is own-root Munstead Wood in my clay at pH near 8. Rose-park's Munstead Wood (grafted) was 1/2 the size of my own-root. Its blooms fried in full-sun at 80 F, thus Munstead Wood is best in partial shade.
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoMunstead Wood has vicious dense prickles like a porcupine, can't even hold on the branches .. hard to cut for the vase. Munstead Wood NEEDS PARTIAL SHADE, my pic. above was in full-sun, and blooms fried at temp at low 80 F. So I HAD TO MOVE IT TO PARTIAL SHADE.
For Brendan's full-sun CA, Falstall is a better choice since that can take full-sun with stiff-petals. Roses with stiff petals that last 5 days in vase like Firefighter .. can take full-sun. Roses which are good for the vase take full-sun with their firm & thick petals. Very few Austins are good for the vase, and most Austins need partial shade (morning sun only).
Thorny Munstead Wood needs more minerals soil (like clay). Rain leaches out minerals so the low-thorn roses don't mind but the thorny roses need the hard-minerals to make their prickly & hard stems. Thorny roses need dense clay for their dense thorns. I constantly have to top Munstead Wood with biochar (soluble calcium and potassium & trace elements). Biochar is very dense & alkaline at pH 8.1 to 8.6. It takes the entire yard-waste bag of roses' branches to burn down to enough biochar for 1 rose bush. Biochar is super-concentrated minerals.
Sharon: Low-thorn roses are better suited for high-rain that leaches out hard-minerals. Low-thorn roses are better suited for sandy & loamy soil with less alkaline minerals (calcium, magnesium, potassium). I have to fix below low-thorn Poseidon (floribunda) with a bag of coarse sand before it became a constant bloomer.
Floribundas have more branching and phosphorus for branching is more available in sandy & fluffy soil than in dense clay. Poseidon refused to bloom in dense potting soil, so I realize it needs fluffier soil and high phosphorus like chicken-manure. Sandy soil in your Florida is often high in phosphorus, and that's perfect for floribundas (more blooms with more branching).
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoBrenda: Belinda Dream is NOT worth getting (scent is light and the blooms are messy). Poseidon looks good in a pot for a gal in CA. Congrats on getting Munstead Wood, Helen in CA posted Munstead Wood with tons of blooms in a pot. I love your testimony on eating RAW foods, it helps me with losing weight.
Carol: I'm so sorry about what you shared "I was in a car accident many years ago, and I get nauseous, dizzy and get a migraine if I do certain movements." My neighbor at 69 has weak knees, he can't bend down to dig weeds in the garden. So he adopted a NO EXERCISE weight-loss regime (no sugar, no flour, no snacks between meals) .. and lost weight fast. Plus his blood sugar went from diabetic to normal, and his cholesterol dropped to 180 after he lost 150 lb. (zero exercise, but he works full time at a desk-job).
My 63-year old husband also works at a desk-job, but runs 6 miles a day .. skinny husband's blood sugar is not ideal, and cholesterol is way high. Husband is very active but drinks coke & eats sweets and mostly processed foods (pizza, ice cream, white bread and cookies). Kale & apple smoothie is the only healthy stuff that husband drinks if I make it for him.
About SOLUBLE Masterblend NPK 4-18-38. It's low in nitrogen, thus best for WARM and LESS RAIN climate like Brendan .. roses tend to be too tall in dry & warm climate.
For your more rain climate in Canada, the Pennington granular fertilizer for acid plants at NPK 10-8-6 which you already bought lots .. is ideal for pots since it has all the trace elements, plus calcium & sulfur. I tested such for pots this year, and leaves were healthy & dark green.
High rain climate does better with granular for pots, since SOLUBLE like Masterblend gets flushed out fast.
Lilly Miller NPK 10-5-4 switched to become Pennington NPK 10-8-6, and they took out the chicken manure, but still with the same trace elements. I agree with taking out chicken manure, I burnt plenty of roses with the salt in chicken manure. Chicken manure is FAST RELEASE, with unpredictable phosphorus (sometimes 10 times more phosphorus than what's listed).
Below own-root Abraham Darby was fertilized with Pennington granular NPK 10-8-6 in June besides alfalfa meal & garden lime. Very healthy leaves, and I pinched off lots of buds .. when I stopped using granular fertilizer on top, and just Osmocote PLUS, that's when leaves got blackspots & less buds to pinch off. Osmocote PLUS is too slow released and doesn't supply enough potassium nor phosphorus for high-rain climate. Osmocote PLUS has ZERO CALCIUM to offset acidic rain. Potassium is for disease prevention and phosphorus is for branching.
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoSharon: great questions !! Too much vitamin C is known to cause iron overload, or diarrhea and kidney stones. Some studies have found a link between high levels of calcium intake and heart attack. My body knows what it needs more than what people pushing for certain things. I identify what I need with my cravings. Even cravings for chocolate means one is deficient in magnesium. After taking magnesium pills, we save $15 on dark chocolate per week, plus losing weight since we cut out excess sugar (dark chocolate has plenty of sugar).
I don't let others DEFINE WHAT MY BODY NEEDS, I let my body defines what I need. The lesson I learned from my horrible 2015 flu-shot reaction is NEVER LET people push certain things on me without knowing about my body. My body's immune system knows best if I need a flu-shot, I never get pneumonia nor flu in my entire 50+ year-life, until I got that flu-shot back in Dec. 2015.
For roses: note what the plant is crying out for:
1) low in petal-count and tip leaves wilting or distorted: calcium deficiency
2) stunt growth and yellow leaves: sulfur deficiency
3) Lowest leaves yellow /brown or scorched at margin: potassium deficiency
4) Leaves have purplish shading: phosphorus deficiency
5) Lowest leaves have blotchy yellow, and smaller leaves: nitrogen deficiency
6) Bunched up top leaves (witches' broom) and lack of blooms: boron deficiency
For our health: best to pay attention to what we crave for. I crave for lima beans for my entire life (since childhood until now at 60) .. and lima beans is highest in manganese, iron, other trace elements, rich in folate and other B-vitamins. My 19-year-old daughter craved for beef (high in iron) when she had heavy period .. she was tested low in hemoglobin as an infant.
My local soil is deficient in manganese, see that on my rhododendrons and red-maple trees nearby. So my local produce is also deficient in manganese, and all the foods rich in manganese are what I always crave for: peanut-butter (I'm allergic to), lotus seeds (buttery like chestnuts), Barley (I'm addicted to Ezekiel bread rich in Barley), Cashew (love it), flax and soybean (actually crave for tofu), Rye bread, also crave for almond and sesame seeds.
Stephanie in sandy soil, California also has manganese deficiency. Manganese is the 2nd most required trace elements (besides iron) for roses. It affects the entire plant, with diffused yellowing between veins. From the web: "A manganese deficiency in plants often results from soils too rich in organic matter or with high pH levels." Manganese also gets leached out the most from soil compared to other trace elements. Below is a pic. of manganese deficiency:
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoBrendan - how about Chartreuse de Parme?
or are you more interested in the color of Bishop's Castle?
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoCarol: I adore your pics. of Bishop's Castle and Chartreuse de Parme. You have the most blooms per cluster on Bishop's Castle, how did you fertilize for such good result? Thank you.
Sharon: per your question on Annie L. McDowell. It's low thorn, thus a water-hog. It has small leaves, thus prefer fluffy & loamy soil (sand is better than dense clay).
I grew 3 Annie L. McDowell in pots for a few months .. I used MG-moisture-control potting soil. The Annie fertilized with GRANULAR fertilizer Lilly Miller NPK 10-5-4 (has chicken manure for boron, copper, and zinc) ... bloomed constantly in a small pot. I also used MG-Soluble for roses NPK 18-24-16.
Annie is a cluster-blooming so it likes high phosphorus fertilizer (for more branching). Annie will do well in your sandy soil rich in phosphorus in Florida. Since it's a heavy bloomer, GRANULAR fertilizer is a must. It responded well to Espoma tone (Tomato Tone NPK 3-4-6 or Plant Tone 5-3-3). Annie is VERY SMALL as own-root, so granular fertilizer rich in nitrogen and alfalfa meal helps with faster growth. Organic matter like alfalfa meal helps to retain nitrogen, which will leach out fast in your sandy soil. Some pics. of Annie from my garden. Below 1st bloom was produced with alfalfa meal plus MG-soluble for roses. Annie can take acid well so the acidity of alfalfa meal didn't make it break out in blackspots like other roses.
Below cluster blooming of Annie was produced by sulfate of potash and gypsum (gypsum is for my rock-hard and alkaline clay, but Garden lime is better for your sandy & acidic soil). Sulfate of potash creates more blooms in a cluster with better water-osmosis. The large yellow bloom is Golden Celebration, sulfate of potash also makes blooms larger. Potassium is for thick canes and large blooms:
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2 years agolast modified: 2 years agoaztcqn: I posted some healthy recipes that helped with sleep & weight loss in below thread:
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Sharon: How do you like the McCartney's rose scent compared to other roses in your garden? Rabbits eat all the short roses here, so I need VERY TALL and fragrant roses. Thank you.
Carol: I googled for info. on the McCartney rose and found your past thread "More roses from Alberta" with amazing pics. of the McCartney Rose, Buxom Beauty, Peter Mayle (you are right that it needs hot weather), and Neil Diamond. How tall was your Buxom Beauty compared to Peter Mayle and the McCartney Rose? Thank you.
https://www.houzz.com/discussions/4168578/more-roses-from-alberta
Brendan: Neil Diamond doesn't like my shady & acidic rain garden but it'll do well in your alkaline & sunny and it's VERY SMALL as own-root, perfect in the pot as shown in Carol's above thread. The scent is amazing Damask like Austin roses. My only pet-peeve about Neil Diamond is too small for my zone 5, plus the scent is gone once cut for the vase, but smells fabulous on the bush. It's mostly white below due to lack of sun in my garden .. with more sun it gets more red & pretty like Carol's picture.
Below bouquet shows Neil Diamond on left. The apricot blooms are Crown Princess Magareta, the far right yellow blooms are Strike it Rich. Tiny white ones are Cloudert Soupert (very fresh baby powder scent)
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