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Worthy roses that give, useful products & recipes for health & sleep

strawchicago z5
7 years ago
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Above are roses that give lots on November 16, zone 5a: Evelyn, Cloudert Soupert, CPM, and Gene Boerner.

Above is French Romantica Liv Tyler with bud-explosions in hot August at 90 degree (my kid had that day off since the weather was so hot, and her elementary school didn't have air). French Romantica or Meilland roses bloom well with my tap water at pH near 9.

Above is Marie Pavie, a French polyantha, does well in heavy clay. The above bloom easily in my alkaline clay at pH near 8.

For useful products I like magnesium oxide POWDER to UP the magnesium in my diet. And Brewer's yeast for energy & curb appetite & stabilize blood sugar. For good sleep I like flax oil (high in Omega-3 and Omega-9) & also keep warm in winter.

For recipes I like less than 5 ingredients soup with veggies. Also smoothies which takes less than 10 min. to make, see below link:

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/4221380/breakfast-smoothies-with-rose-petals-and-rose-tea

What are your worthy roses that give, useful products & recipes for health & sleep? Thanks.

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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    What are the tea roses you have? Do you mean Hybrid Teas? I'm a newbie to roses, but have jumped in head first and actually find them less work than a zillion perennials, although I don't mind futzing with them.

    That's great to hear about J'sC. I keep looking at that one. It's wonderful to have someone in your growing area to glean and share knowledge. Noone on GW is from my area anymore. I've considered joining one of the two rose societies here, but they focus on Hybrid teas and I'm into other types and older ones as their shapes suit my old house and garden better. I've yet to get rid of a plant. I'll probably just move it elsewhere if I find another I prefer.

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    6 years ago
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    Since my garden is mostly part-shade, I compiled an extensive list of shade-tolerant roses. My favorite roses for 4-hours of morning sun are: William Shakespeare 2000, vibrant red color & amazing scent & great for the vase (see my pic. in HMF). Also Duchess de Rohan, like W.S. 2000, both are always healthy & prefer acidic & fluffy and moist soil (very much like azaleas). Both are own-roots, rather than grafted-on-Dr.Huey (prefer alkaline clay).

    Shade tolerant roses posted by Mike in Dave's Garden forum as repeatbloomer Peekskill, NY(Zone 6b)

    Alba (6): Celeste, Felicite Parmentier, Maxima, Mme Plantier, Morning Blush, Suaveolens

    Bourbon (11): Barbara Worl, Bourbon Queen, Champion of the World, Charles Lawson, Hermosa, Honorine de Brabant, Louise Odier, Mme Isaac Pereire, Souvenir de la Malmaison, Souvenir de St. Anne’s

    Centifolia (6): Alain Blanchard, Bullata, Duc de Fitzjames, Duchesse d’Angouleme, Fantin-Latour, York and Lancaster

    China (11): Cardinal de Richelieu, Comtesse de Lacepede, Duchese de Montebello, Green Rose, Hermosa, Irene Watts, Louis XIV, Mateo’s Silk Butterflies, Mme Laurette Messimy, Old Blush, Sophie’s Perpetual

    Climber (11): Altissimo, Blaze, Coral Dawn, Floire de Dijon, Fourth of July, Fred Loads Mermaid, Kiftsgate, Mlle Cecile Brunner, New Dawn, Sombreuil, Zephirine Drouhin

    Damask (5): Celsiana, La Ville de Bruxelles, Madame Hardy, President Dutailly, Rose d’Hivers

    English Rose (11): Abraham Darby, Ambridge, Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Chianti, English Garden, Glamis Castle, Golden Celbration, Heritage Sharifa, Swan, The Alexander Rose, The Prince

    Floribunda (16): Amber Queen, Angel Face, Betty Boop, Betty Prior, Blueberry Hill, Dolly, Gruss an Aachen, Ivory Fashion, Joseph’s Coat, Flower Carpet, Fred Loads, Livin’ Easy, Marmalade Skies, Playboy, Playgirl, Sweet Vivian

    Gallica Rose (86): Apothecary’s Rose, Rosa Mundi, Tuscany, Jenny Duval, William Grant, Complilcata, Adele Prevost, Empress Josephine, Agathe Incarnata, Alexandre Laquement, Ambroise Pare, Antonia d’Ormois, Assemblage des Beautes, Beau Narcisse, Belle des Jardins, Belle Doria, Belle Herminie, Belle Isis, Belle sans Flatterie, Bossuet, Boule de Nanteuil, Bouquet de Venus, Camaieux, Camaieux Reversion, Charles de Mills, Comte Boula de Nanteuil, Cosimo Ridolfi, Cramoisi Picotee, Crimson Gallica, D’Aguesseau, Desiree Parmentier, Double Brique, Duc de Fitzjames, Duc de Guiche, Duchesse d’Angouleme, Duchesse de Buccleugh, Dumortier, Elegant Gallica, Ester, Fanny Elssler, Fornarina, Gloire de Grance, Gros Provins Panache, Henri Fouquier, Hippolyte, Ipsilante, James Mason, Juliette, La Belle Sultane, La Maculee, La Plus Belle des Ponctuees, L’Enchantresse, Mazeppa Mecene, Mercedes, Nanette, Narcisse de Salvandy, Neron, Nestor, Nouveau Vulcain, Nouvelle Pivoine, Oeillet Double, Oeillet Flamand, Oellet Parfait, Ohl, Ombree Parfaite, Ancienne, Orpheline de Julliet, Perle des Panachees, Perle von Weissenstein, Pompom, President de Seze, Purple Climber, Rose des Maures, Rose du Maitre d’Ecole, Pluton, Royal Marbree, Ruth, Scarlet Fire, Supasse Tout, Tricolore, Tricolore de Flandre, Triomphe de Flore, Turenne, Superb Tuscan, Veluntinaeflora, Zoe

    Hybrid Musk (21): Ballerina, Buff Beauty, Cornelia, Danae, Darlow’s Enigma, Erfurt, Eva, Felicia, Francesca, Francis E. Lester, Kathleen, Lavender Lassie, Moonlight, Mozart, Nymphenburg, Pax, Pink Prosperity, Prosperity, Ravel, Robin Hood, Sally Holmes, Thisbe Vanity

    Hybrid Perpetual (2): Rerine des Violette, Souvenir du Dr. Jamain
    Hybrid Rugosa (2): Blanc Double de Coubert, Therese Bugnet
    Hybrid Tea (2): Kordes’ Perfecta, Reveil Dijonnais (also a modern climber)
    Miniature (1): Green Ice Moss (2): Alfred de Dalmas, Shailer’s White Moss

    Noisette (6): Blush Noisette, Juane Desprez, Madame Alfred Carriere, Marechal Niel, Narrow Water, Natchitoches Noisette. Other Old Garden / Antique (2): Eugene de Beauharnais, Reine des Violettes

    Polyantha (4): The Fairy, Marjoire Fair, Pinkie, Seven Sisters. Portland (1): Rose de Rescht
    Rambler (1): Alberic Barbier. Rugosa (1): Japanese Rose

    Shrub (10): Abbotswood, Banshee, Basye’s Purple Rose, Carefree Beauty, Carefree Delight, Carefree Wonder, Flutterbye, Dortmund, Fritz Nobis, Knockout

    Species (12): Alika, Anemone, Arthur Hillier, Eglantine, Headleyensis, Mme de Sancy de Parabere, Pumila, Red-leaved Rose, Red Wing, Rosa Mundi, Ramona, William III. Tea (1): Duchesse de Brabant

    ***** Below was posted by Elizabeth's garden in HMF:
    Angel Face is a floribunda that is supposed to be shade tolerant.
    Chrysler Imperial, Blue Moon, Blue Girl, Swarthmore, Garden Party, and Bourbon are all shade tolerant hybrids.

    ***** Other shade-tolerant (morning sun only) mentioned by HMF members: Playboy, Pink Peace, Lavender Dream, Rosa moschata, climbing E. de Holland for north-wall, "I have a Zepherine Drouhin that is growing GREAT in a spot with only four hours of sun per day", Lemon Spice, Honey Bouquet, Pat Austin, Sutter's Gold, Flowergirl, Long John Silver, Francis Meilland, Souvenir du Docteur Jamain, climber Mme Alfred Carrière, 'Shailer's Provence', and climbers New Dawn and Aloha.

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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    OMGosh, straw! I'm hyperventilating over that list! Thank you!!! I'm looking to see what I grow of them thus far. I have the climbing version of Hermosa named Setina, but it's still in a pot. My Aloha is STILL blooming in my glass anteroom that only gets mid-light level and very cool temps being unheated. I got many Hybrid Musks last year and they seem to be doing well. I'll know more come spring, but MACarriere really put out the blooms last Fall on a North wall as did Cl. Pinkie. I grew Zephy from a cutting and finally planted her in Southern exposure with dappled shade most of the day where she was just setting buds when the deer mowed them down. Waiting for Spring since I put her and New Dawn (also grown from a cutting) behind netting.

    I've been considering Playboy for my front area , but it gets great sun. Hmmm. I have Gruss an Aachen in the slight shade of a Hydrangea. It's one of my favorite roses from last year. I couldn't imagine Mme. C.Brunner in shade as she's a BS magnet enough in the sun! My Basye's Purple is behind a fence so shaded to some degree and definitely dappled sun late in the day. I just planted it in the Fall so we'll see. I've really wanted Marjorie Fair. One I have planted in a dappled Southern exposure that's a crazy, healthy bloomer is Cl. Clotilde Soupert. She's under the eaves, so I think that protects her blooms.

    What a list you've compiled! I'm trying to do the same of no/low-BS roses, but shade is equally important.

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Vaporvac I’m sure they are hybrid teas. One is Chicago Peace Rose and the other one looks like the Peace rose (didn’t have a tag) with pale yellow petals surrounded by light pink. I’m new to roses as well and have been reading tons about them. These two give super tiny blooms no matter how much water and food they get. I’m a hydrangea lover and have many kinds in my garden, so roses are a big change. I read somewhere about a foliar spray with urine to help prevent black spot: 1 part urine 20 parts water. I haven’t tried that, but can’t say I was seriously tempted with the pale yellow one that is always sick with BS or aphids. When my roses are completely coverd with aphids, my neighbor’s are shiny and aphid free. I’ve been looking at Aloha and Angel Face since I love their color. I think I’m going to wait and time the amount of sun on the spot I want to plant the rose and make sure how much sun exposure i’m dealing with.

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Strawchicago what an amazing list! Boy, I’m going to be busy looking all those up. I have a pretty big yard and we are still trying to decide what kind of entertainment area we want (patio, deck, pool). I don’t want to start planting wherever only to have to dig it up. Our house was a foreclosure with zero landscape except for a Congo lilac and a birch tree in the back and sick Apple Crabtree’s in the front that were removed. Slowly we are adding bushes and trees and now I’m ready for color!

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  • User
    6 years ago

    Strawchicago, is your Zepherine climbing? I would need to figure a way to keep it bushy.

  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Manur: Vaporvac has Zepherine D., I don't.

    Both Peace and Chicago Peace like it alkaline. They are ridiculously healthy at nearby rose park (Cantigny with alkaline clay like mine). Since you have azaleas (prefer acidic range of pH 4.5 to 6) your soil would be too acidic for some alkaline-loving roses (prefer pH above 7, such as Dr.Huey rootstock).

    One way to raise the pH is to put red-lava-rock ($4 for a huge bag at 40 lb.), plus pea-gravel ($3 for a huge bag) at the BOTTOM of planting hole.

    Red-lava-rock has pH 8.1, and pea-gravel has pH over 10. One cup of each at the bottom of the planting hole is enough to neutralize acidic rain (pH 4.5 in our Chicagoland). If your roses are from Jackson & P, or local stores, they are GRAFTED ON DR.HUEY, and that root-stock needs SOLID and ALKALINE MINERALS to be healthy.

    That's the logic for putting mineral-rich rocks AT BOTTOM of planting hole for Dr. Huey rootstock. Putting minerals on top DOES NOT WORK, since it blocks rain-water from passing through, plus harden the soil.

    Own-root roses are mail-ordered nurseries like Roses Unlimited, Burlington, Heirloom, or Chamblee. David Austin roses also have the option of own-root, if you ask for it. Own-root roses have wimpy roots and prefer FLUFFY & NEUTRAL pH soil in their 1st year (like potting soil). As they mature in 2nd and 3rd year, depending on their type, some own-root prefer more alkaline & hard minerals, some prefer more acidic & fluffy soil.


  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    Manur, I think all ZDs are climbers, but I'm sure you can grow it as an arching shrub letting the long canes and laterals fall to the ground. Some people grow New Dawn in the same way. Mine is newly planted from a cutting I grew, so I don't have much to report. It had terrible BS while in a pot, but has recuperated very nicely since planting out even with constant rain this fall.

    Hybrid Musks are reputed to prefer a more acid soil and I can attest to that. Mine get chlorotic and I have to put some Miracid I had around to help. It does work, but I need to find a more permanent solution for those I've yet to plant and those in the ground. For the latter I'm going to try sulphur. Anyway, since you have both shade and a more acid soil, HMs might be one class to look at. I really like mine as they're very delicate and many have a lovely fragrance. I'm adding more this spring.

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  • User
    6 years ago

    My soil is alkaline. I have to add sulfur to my Azaleas and hydrangeas (to keep them purple). Straw, that’s interesting about lava rock and pea gravel. What mineral rock would you recommend for grafted Dr. Huey? I use Enrich to amend my soil and also put it at them bottom of the hole before planting. It’s pine bark grounded to tiny bits and it truly helps break up clay. I’m thinking maybe I should pull the J&P roses and add the rock.

    Vaporvac, thanks! I will look at hybrid musks to maybe put in that spot since it already gets the sulphur for the ever greens and Azalea.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Khalid, who used to posted in Organic Rose, is a well-traveled person. He travels the world frequently and one time he posted tons-of-blooms & perfectly healthy roses in a middle east country where it's a limestone foundation, then they poured FLUFFY dirt on top. Those are the best looking roses ever, so lush & full & lots of leaves & flowers .. in contrast to the bare & black-spot roses in late fall, in my last house of ACIDIC CLAY (with blue-hydrangea). In that garden, no matter how deep I dug, it's black clay, there's zero rocks below.

    Jess from South Africa, with acidic red clay, had the same problem: black-spots & bare-legged roses. I asked her what's the foundation below her dirt, she said, "no matter how deep she dug, it's red clay ALL THE WAY DOWN."

    The chunky & woody thick root, like Dr.Huey rootstock needs SOLID MINERAL at bottom, like alkaline limestone at pH over 10. Radio Times is known as black-spot prone own-root, yet very healthy for many years next to my limestone-partio. When I moved Radio Times, its deep & thick root was going into the yellowish limestone layer below. The closest rocks to limestone is $3 bag of colorful pea-gravel, where it's mostly gray to yellowish pebbles (dolomitic lime with magnesium), with a few pinkish rocks (high in iron) mixed in.

    I tested cut-blooms by dunking roses' cuttings in rain water (pH 4.5). Leaves break out in black spots and blooms wilt SOONER than vase with my alkaline tap water (pH 9.1). Within 3 days, black spots developed on cuttings dunk in acidic rain-water, but leaves in alkaline-tap-water remained healthy longer.

    However, the vase with pea-gravel plus rain-water retained its healthy leaves and perky blooms. I posted several pics. showing the result of dunking cut-blooms in rain-water plus 1) Espoma dolomitc lime 2) red lava rock 3) pea-gravel VERSUS 4) alkaline tap water .. The winner was clearly pea-gravel plus rain-water.

    This winter I tested rooting roses in a vase with alkaline tap-water (plus a bit of rooting powder), versus rain-water, plus a bit of rooting powder. Will post pics. tomorrow. Cuttings were taken Dec. 26, dunked in tap-water (pH 9.1), they sprouted 100% healthy leaves, plus some roots. Then I switched them into a vase with ACIDIC rain-water, WITHIN 1 DAY leaves wilt and dropped.

    Why? Alkaline-tap water has hydrated lime added to deodorize, and to prevent pipes from corroding. Calcium is needed for form roots & leaves and flowers. Without calcium, tissue become mush. In my compost pile, fungus grow easily on acidic medium like rotten strawberries, lime-rinds, but I don't see fungus growing on alkaline medium like banana peels (high in potassium).

  • User
    6 years ago

    So interesting! I do have tons of rocks when I dig deep. They are yellowish in color and pretty big, I just do t know what kind of rock they are. I think I might just dig them out and add gravel. I do want to try the kelp. Can I do kelp, banana peels and alfalfa together? I also have fish fertilizer that I use on my big pots with annuals, I wonder if that has kelp?

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Manur: Folks report Zeph. D. is mainly a once bloomer and very few blooms for latter flush. The David Austin rose that I have in partial shade (4 hours of sun) that blooms constantly is Lady of Shalott (blah-scent), so I like W.S. 2000 better. However, Pat Austin blooms BETTER than Lady of Shalott in partial shade, and Pat has a much better fruity scent.

    Fish fertilizer doesn't have kelp, but it has Omega-3 fatty acids. Kelp is salty so using it with high-potassium banana peels will balance out the salt. I tested Kelp with Dr. Earth-flower-girl fertilizer: W.S. 2000 became loaded with blooms (4 blooms per branch) despite 4 hours of morning sun. Since Kelp is rich in minerals BUT SALTY, best used when there's tons of rain.

    I cut these cuttings on Dec. 26, and above pic. is taken early January 2018: HARD-WOOD cuttings can take dry-winter air better and sprout new leaves faster.

    This Dec. 26, 2017, I took cuttings from rose-bushes when the temp was below 32, but above 10. BIG SUCCESS !! zero mold like plastic pouch, and doesn't get dried out like in potting soil. The secret? Dunk them in a vase with alkaline-tap water (rich in hydrated lime), plus a bit of rooting powder (acidic). Rain-water DOES NOT WORK, since rain-water is too acidic at pH 4.5 here, plus doesn't have lime (calcium) necessary to push tissue out. Calcium is the building blocks of plants, and calcium is needed for leaves, branch, roots, etc.

    Since my tap-water is very alkaline (high in hydrated lime) at pH 9.1 .. I put a tiny bit of rooting powder (acidic), like 1 teaspoon per 1 cup of tap-water. Lots of leaves sprout on my cuttings soaked in a vase. Pull one branch up and saw roots.

    But the SOFT-WOOD rootings which I grew over the summer, and stored in the basement (in fluffy-potting soil) .. they got dried out. All those 5-months & soft-wood rootings DIED, but the HARD-WOOD rootings done in my alkaline tap-water plus rooting hormone are green & sprouting lots of leaves.

    To re-test my theory, I dunk these cuttings in rain-water (pre-soaked in red-lava-rocks) and they IMMEDIATELY wilted & lost all leaves. The "after-picture" in rain-water is so pathetic that it's not worth my time taking pic.

  • User
    6 years ago

    Oh my, that’s impressive!! I will strive to have your knowledge; I’m at the crawling stage of my rose journey. I will try the kelp/banana this year. I saw a recipe from you for a banana molasses tea...I need to read back and find it. I spray my roses with soapy water for aphids, but those guys seem to be getting used to it. If I can make my plant healthier, I think I can control those better. Now, are the blooms a direct effect of soil conitions or temperature? a lot of advice from forums is contradicting and it leaves my head spinning. I have a water tester and will check the pH of my tap water. We have a reverse osmosis filter for our drinking water, but not for our tap.

    I’m now thinking I should dig my azaleas and add lava rock. They are doing fantastic, but need tons of acid added every 60days. My husband was fascinated by that info. My Azaleas are what I call “rescues”, they were left to die at nurseries and put on sale for just a few dollars. One of them is big and healthy and my husband has now caught the rescuing bug :-).

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Manur: Lava rock has pH 8.1, and azaleas prefer pH 4.6 to 6. Lava rock AT BOTTOM OF PLANTING hole is best for thick & chunky & woody rose-roots that LIKE IT ALKALINE like Dr.Huey-rootstock.

    Azaleas like fluffy & moist & acidic soil. It's cheaper to top them with grass-clippings (neighbors put out in yard-waste bags during garbage day). Grass-clippings is acidic & high in nitrogen, plus retain moisture.

    I tested a bunch of chemicals on my azaleas: sulfur & iron sulfate, then dry & acidic pine-bark (pH 4) in the planting hole and ended up killing all 4 azaleas. But they thrived when I mixed moist peat-moss (pH 4) with native clay (pH 8) decades ago.

    Thanks to that failed experiment, I told Carol (Rosecanadian): DO NOT PUT WOOD-CHIPS IN THE PLANTING HOLE or inside pots, too dry, but peat-moss (pH 4) neutralized by dolomitic lime is best for multiflora-rootstock (thinner & cluster root).

    Azaleas has shallow & cluster & wimpy roots and VERY sensitive to salt & chemicals & dryness. The best azaleas I had seen is at local Morton Arboretum: shaded with tall pine-trees, with fluffy pine-needles & pine bark ON TOP as mulch.

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    6 years ago

    Ha! Now I know where to add my grass clippings, thank you! My Azaleas get a bit of morning sun, then dapple shade in the afternoon (around 2p) thanks to the birch tree. They are against the house. I’ve lived in Illinois for 22 years and have yet to visit the Morton Arboretum or Botanical Garden (shame on me). I think I will make that a priority this year.

    I just looked Pam Austin and it’s available on DA’s website. Do you remember the name of that nursery in Niles? I can’t remember it for the like of me. I think I might give this rose a try.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    Manur: Pat Austin is best as own-root, Roses Unlimited (mail-order nursery) have yearly sale second week of June, with David Austin roses $12 per gallon (come with blooms & shipped to your front door). Below is the picture of my Pat Austin in HMF and my comment:

    http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.281435

    "Pat Austin as 5-year own-root, best in partial shade less than 4 hours of sun, prefer alkaline clay. Healthy and winter-hardy. It even bloomed with 3 hours of sun only !! The scent is mango and nectarine. I bought a 2nd one from Roses Unlimited at 1/2 price summer sale, their website is https://rosesunlimitedsc.com/

    Chicago Botanical Garden is FAR better than Morton Arboretum. Admission to CBG is $30 per car, but Illinois residents can get a 1/2 coupon off from their local library so the parking fee is only $15 .... if you have 6 people in your car, it's low-cost. CBG has 5,000 roses & waterfalls & lakes & fish & flowers, below link is my trip to CBG:

    https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/3179492/chicago-botanical-gardens-waterfalls-and-roses-and-perennials

    My local library doesn't have a coupon to Morton Arboretum: price is also by the car. The last time I went there they did a $1 million dollar addition geared toward children: stone-parks for kids to wade in water, and a hanging bridge for them to explore. Morton Arboretum is best during weekdays (less crowded). Weekend was crazy there: so many kids packed on that hanging bridge more risk of someone getting hurt with the rush & crunch.

    Cantigny rose park & war museum has more to enjoy than Morton Arboretum, one can get in FOR FREE with a coupon from the library. Kids like it since there's a war museum showing guns, etc. Plus lots of tanks from WWI and WWII for kids to climb. Cantigny has 1,200 roses and a children's garden .. the tour to the grand mansion was fun. That mansion was used in a few movies. See link to my trip there:

    https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/3194694/cantigny-gardens-roses-mccormick-mansion-war-museum-and-perennials?n=62

    The garden in Niles is Meinkes Garden Center, but they sell only GRAFTED-ON-DR.HUEY, which are less healthy in the long run. David Austin roses and more cold-hardy roses are best as OWN-ROOT (like from Roses Unlimited 1/2 price sale at $12), GRAFTED-ON-DR.Huey, like Meikes is best for tender hybrid-teas.

    Vicky e-mailed me before Mother's Day:

    "I shopped at Meinkes Garden Center in Niles this weekend, and enjoyed myself so much looking at their more than 200 varieties of roses, all potted and leafed out in containers, and some in bud. I have never seen such a large selection locally.....so often even the greenhouses same the same varieties....the Knockouts, the usual ones you see. The price is so reasonable, too....$20.95 for most varieties, $29.95 for the David Austins. They are so healthy and green, too. Just wanted to let you know in case you ever are up this way." Vicky.

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    6 years ago

    Husband was impressed by the pictures I found of Pat Austin. I’m really excited to give it a try. Thank you for letting me know the Niles garden center roses are grafted in Dr. HUEY; no point in driving all the way there. I will check the mail order website. When is best to plant a rose? If I wait to try and get it 1/2 off, will summer be a good time to plant it?

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago

    Manur: Below link gives info. about Roses Unlimited 1/2 price in mid-June. I posted a pic. of how mail-order-roses look like. This past summer 2017 I got 7 roses at $12 each from Roses Unlimited (RU), and they all have blooms on them. It was in hot & dry summer so I put them in pots & partial shade (4 hours of morning sun only). Own-root have tiny roots for the 1st year thus best in partial shade.

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/get-ready-for-roses-unlimited-1-2-price-sale-in-june-dsvw-vd~3108859?n=89

    In October I planted those from pots into the ground. The best result is to mix native clay with Master Garden Premium soil for trees (more acidic & cheaper than potting soil), sold at Menards for $5.99 per huge bag (enough for 2 large holes). This soil is so fluffy & moist like deluxe-potting-soil.

    https://www.menards.com/main/outdoors/gardening/lawn-plant-care/compost-soils-amendments/master-garden-trade-premium-garden-soil-for-trees-and-shrubs-1-5-cu-ft/p-1444451345476-c-1463

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    6 years ago

    Thanks! I emailed Pat to ask for the cost of shipping and it’s $22 for 1-2 Roses for Illinois. With that, I will wait for the 1/2 off and plant as you suggested. I can’t wait to check the soil at Menards since I’m always looking for good cheap soil.

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  • User
    6 years ago

    A question for you ladies. If I order from Roses unlimited, I would to order more than one. What are your thoughts on Jude the Obscure and Lady of shallot? I love their color.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    Manur: Jude the Obscure is extremely wimpy as own-root, 5 died on me through separate winters !! The color of Jude is actually light-yellow in alkaline soil. Lady of Shallot color is much lighter than Pat Austin, blooms are smaller than Pat Austin, and the scent is blah. Lady of Shallot refused to bloom the 1st year, but Pat Austin blooms easily. I'm enthralled by the beauty and scent of Versigny, but Lady of Shallot never impress me. I did buy Versigny again since I miss the blooms & magnificent scent. But I honestly don't care if Lady of Shallot die through the winter. Versigny's winter-hardiness is iffy, I won't recommend a rose unless it survives more than 8 winters.

    The 3 best looking & most healthy & most blooms roses in my garden are: Pat Austin (partial shade), Poseidon, Dee-lish, and Tchaikovsky (bloom easily in 4 hours of sun). Tchaikovsky has a better color than Jude plus more petals. Tchaikovsky is 10 times more vigorous, and the scent is yummy-candy versus Jude's tropical desert (less petals & doesn't last long in the vase).

    The 4 roses are worth buying for their healthy & vigor & live many years & amazing scents: Pat Austin, Poseidon (impressive blooms, but lightly scent), Dee-lish (the scent beat the most expensive perfume), and Tchaikovsky (each bloom is HUGE and stunning in a vase). All of them are tall enough (3 feet) so one can stand up to sniff them, rather than crawl on the ground like the wimpy & short ones (Jude is less than a foot tall as own-root). Forgot to mention my purplish/red favorite: The Dark Lady (blooms well in partial shade) .. that one is the best-looking among Chicago Botanical Garden's thousands of roses. The Dark Lady is drought tolerant, and the scent is very good as own-root.

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    6 years ago

    Great to know. I came across a thread here where a lady has Jude and it was ginormous, but she was in Ohio, I think. I told Pat I would let her know what other roses I was looking for and see if she had those available. I will look at your suggestions, thank you!!

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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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    Interesting Straw that I've recently read from a couple of sources that Pat is also very good in Florida! It seems many roses that are hardy also do well in heat, and I think we both get alot of BS. I really need to look into Tchaikovsky. Do you remember where you purchased your Excellenz von Schubert, btw? I ordered one from ARE, but apparently it's actually Garden Director Otto v. Linne. ( I really want the fragrant one, ie. EVS and I remember you raving about its scent.

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    Vaporvac: I got Excellenz von Schubert from Burlington Roses in California. That has a wafting scent that perfumes my front walkway.

    Manur: Jude is a giant if GRAFTED ON DR.HUEY ROOTSTOCK (taller than my 6 feet tall husband). But OWN-ROOT Jude is wimpy & less than 1 foot tall. Pat Henry of Roses Unlimited put up the names of roses at 1/2 price around 2nd-week of June. Thus one can order the 1/2 price roses, along some full-price roses to make it worth the shipping cost (4 roses is the best bargain). The vigorous roses are often on sale: Dee-lish are on sale yearly for 1/2 price. I got Pat Austin and The Dark Lady for 1/2 price last few years from RU's mid-June sale.

    Since this post is about "Worthy roses & useful products & recipes for health & sleep" I would love to learn about your favorite recipes to feed your family. I keep cooking the same recipes over, and over, again, it's nice to learn of the well-tested ones, esp. for picky kids. I did post that question years ago in Rose forum, printed a copy of that and tried a few new recipes ..but since I'm trying to lose 5 lbs. I am leaning toward no cheese-recipes, if you have any. Thank you !!

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    Thank you so much for that straw. I hope to order a few from her shortly so I'll be sure to include that. Do you have Garden Director v. OL? I am undecided whether I'll keep that in my order at ARE.

    Do you ever exchange cuttings of non-patented roses? How did your cuttings do last year? I had some success over the summer, but all those from the fall were duds. However, I'm going to try again even with the burrito method.

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    6 years ago

    Thank you for that information on Grafted Jude. If I went for it, I would want it big. I looked at Tchaikovsky and I’m so in love with the color! Dee-lish is also very pretty. As for recipes, do you have a preference in ethnicity? I have a very good chicken tortilla soup that is my kid’s favorite, but I know a lot of people who don’t enjoy the taste of chili powder. The soup is lean and low calorie plus easy to make.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Vaporvac: I don't have Garden Director. Zero luck storing rootings down my basement (too dry & forgot to water). They all died (despite being 5 months old with long-roots). I SHOULD HAD kept them dormant in unheated & dark garage which kept them alive in the past.

    Manur: I would love that chicken-tortilla soup recipe .. we like chili powder (the mild type, NOT hot). My teenager daughter is skinny & picky, and her most favorite food is chicken broth soup with yellow & green zucchini & organic ground-beef & tomato & saute onions & fresh cilantro put in last. I grow tomato fresh from my garden and freeze it for the entire year. The deep freezer down in my basement runs on $40 of electricity per year (the freezer itself cost only $200). That's the best purchase I made 17 years ago. I cook 4 times a week, and freeze soup in small pouches. Husband take my "home-made" frozen food to his work, and my kid prefers that over frozen-dinners (not enough protein for her growing needs). We rarely do fast-food with our 2nd freezer down the basement with home-made frozen soups.

  • Alana8aSC
    6 years ago

    I just popped over here and saw you were back posting Straw! Nice to see you posting again. I hope all is going well with you and your family, and of course your roses!

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  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    I'll post a couple of soups in a bit. Do you like bean soups, Straw?

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  • strawchicago z5
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    Alana: it's good to hear from you, how are your lovely 3 daughters? My daughter is in 9th grade & doing very well. NOW Kelp tablets help her BIG TIME with hormone-fluctuations. A wonan's breast & ovaries have highest concentration of iodine, and teenager girls have a higher need for iron and iodine. She's very happy & active & slender & taking AP college-credit classes while in high school. My research on hypothyroid in this post help my own daughter.

    Vaporvac: I love bean soups, esp. ethnic recipes from different countries to make beans exciting. THANK YOU !! I left Vietnam when I was 13 .. finally came back to VN desert of bean-soup: so high in protein & so satisfying. There are lots of Buddhist monks in Vietnam who are vegan, yet healthy with tofu, bean-sauce, high-protein rice (esp. red and black), plus bean-desert.

    My favorite high-protein & fast meal is to cook red adzuki bean, or yellow mung bean, or green-mung-bean until it's soft (pre-soaked overnight). These beans have a mild & sweet flavor best in desert. Freeze these cooked beans in small pouches. I also freeze canned-coconut-milk in tiny pouches. It takes less than 5 minutes to make bean-smoothie. Nuke bean & coconut milk for less than 1 minute to soften. Put in blender along with RAW honey & flax, soy, or almond milk ... and high-protein smoothie is ready.

    Khalid (from Pakistan) gave me his awesome tip of putting beans in smoothie .. it becomes smooth & yummy. So high in magnesium & protein & sleep well too. I take that over ice-cream anytime.

    Manur sent me her chicken-tortilla soup yesterday. It's so clever that she put black bean in the soup !! I'm excited about trying her recipe. Here's the recipe that Manur gave me: CHICKEN-TORTILLA SOUP

    • 2 tablespoons olive oil
    • 1 cup sweet Vidalia or yellow onion, peeled and diced small (about 1 medium onion)
    • 1 large jalapeno pepper (optional. about 4 to 5 inches long), diced very small (the seeds are where the heat is concentrated; included or discard them based on preference)
    • 4 garlic cloves, peeled and finely minced
    • 32 ounces (4 cups) low-sodium chicken broth
    • two cups diced tomatoes and juice (I use tomato sauce if don’t have tomatoes)
    • 2 cups shredded cooked chicken
    • 1 tablespoon lime juice
    • 1 tablespoon chili powder
    • 2 teaspoons oregano
    • 2 teaspoons salt, or to taste
    • 1 teaspoon black pepper
    • diced avocado for serving, optional for serving
    • shredded cheese, optional for serving
    • To a large Dutch oven or stockpot, add 2 tablespoons olive oil and heat over medium-high heat to warm. Add the onion, jalapeño (optional), and sauté for about 5 minutes, or until vegetables begin to soften. Stir intermittently. Add the garlic, chili and oregano and sauté for 1 to 2 minutes. Stir.
    • Add the chicken broth, tomatoes and juice, lime juice, 2 teaspoons salt, pepper, and bring to a boil. Add the chicken. Allow mixture to boil gently for about 5 to 7 minutes. If at any point the overall liquid level looks low or you prefer your soup to have more broth, add 1 to 2 cups of water; you’ll adjust the salt and seasoning levels at the end.

    You can always add corn and black beans if you want. I boil chicken breasts and then take them out and shred them. Manur83(z5)


  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    What a wonderful EASY recipe. Thank you Manur and Straw! Straw, I love the bean drinks and forgot Khalid's use of them in smoothies. My DH lived in Malaysia for some time and raved about the dessert drinks with beans and ice, so when I finally went there with him I was able to try them. They are addicting, and so refreshing in the hot evenings. I had a friend who used to make desserts with adzuki beans that reminded me of the native Kuih (steamed cakes). Those are the best ever, but quite rich with oil or coconut milk. I have a French friend that lived in Vietnam for years and recently returned to France. He brought his cook back with him he loved the food that much!

    Do you have an Asian market near you? We have a huge supermarket called CAM where they sell combinations of various dried things such as barley, lotus seeds, mushrooms, seaweed and other unusual items all together in one little package to make an quick soup. I use them as an easy base with stock, fresh tofu and fresh vegetables. When I eat it I'm so full I don't crave other things.

    I'm happy you're able to help your daughter with her transition to young adulthood. Those are hard years. She was the cutest baby!!! Does she still hate thorns on roses? : ) It's great to get people posting here again for whatever topic that helps keep us (and our roses) healthy. : )))

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  • strawchicago z5
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    Vaporvac: Thank you for sharing those good foods !! There are 2 types of Adzuki beans: the one sold on Amazon is also sold at local grocery store: it's a bigger-kernel red-bean (best for soup). But the one best for desert is sold at Oriental stores, and it's much smaller, like a tiny-mung-bean (about the same size as lentil, but chubbier). The tiny Adzuki-red-bean is best with coconut milk & honey as in smoothies.

    Will look for the soup-pouch you mention: barley, lotus seeds, mushrooms, seaweed are all rich in magnesium .. which we all are deficient & and that is necessary for good sleep, plus stop cravings. My family used to spend $10 on chocolate-candy per week .. then I UP my magnesium intake via beans & seaweed & nuts, and we haven't bought chocolate for the last few years. Chocolate is also high in magnesium. My kid doesn't care for roses, but hopefully that will change once she grows up.

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    6 years ago

    Thank you ladies! I will plan a trip to a big Asian store I used to go often. These bean drinks you talk about are making me hungry and thirsty! I must try those very soon.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    Woodman's in Chicagoland sells 2 types of mungbean: tiny yellow split-mung-bean (with yellow dye), and the tiny-green-ones. The tiny-green-ones is better for you since it's a nuisance to rinse the yellow-ones 3 times to get rid of the yellow dye. Crock-pot is the best-way to cook mung-bean, since it foams over and make a mess on the stove. One trick to prevent foaming is to put 1 tablespoon of olive oil in the boiling water.

    The best beans I have is through the crock-pot: I soak the beans overnight, put in a PRE-HEATED crock-pot, then pour hot or warm water until it's 2 inch. of water above for soup, or 0.5" if you want very little water left. Cook on high for 2 hours (small beans) or 4 hours (large beans), they become smooth and tender. Mung-bean stinks if it's burnt, so crock-pot gives it a nicer flavor. I put 1 inch. of water above mung-bean since I want to mash it once it's done cooking in the crock-pot.

    Few weeks ago my daughter had oral surgery to pull down an impacted canine. Her mouth was sore, so I fed her ice-cream (2 gallons total), and she had the worst acne before her period. Mint tea doesn't go well with ice-cream, so she's not drinking much mint tea. Dairy products do aggravate acne with its added hormones. We like Stash peppermint tea, but I like Stash Casade mint also (a mix of spearmint and peppermint). Stash mint tea tastes better than my own-mint from my garden. I have many varieties of peppermint and spearmint, along with lemon-balm ... they are most effective as RAW smoothies in the summer.

    https://www.amazon.com/Stash-Tea-Organic-Cascade-Herbal/dp/B000CQBZT2

  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Forgot to mention that I did make a big pot of Chicken tortilla soup (thank you, Manur !!) ... I put beets-greens & black-beans & cilantro & home-grown tomatoes .. my kid complained at first, but I served that the next day and she finished the whole bowl. Below link shows how mint clear up acne.

    http://www.byrdie.com/spearmint-tea-acne-remedy/slide2

    "Carl Thornfeldt, MD, founder of Epionce skincare, told me that drinking two cups of spearmint tea every day was more effective at clearing acne than prescription remedies. Thornfeldt notes that using mint to treat acne isn't something new, but spearmint has been gaining well-deserved praise: "It has been documented that spearmint is the most potent of the different mints in killing skin disease-causing bacteria and yeasts. In additional, spearmint has the most anti-inflammatory activity of the mint varieties."

    He adds that in a 2015 study by the American Academy of Dermatology, two cups of organic spearmint tea ingested daily reduced inflammatory acne lesions by 25% after one month and by 51% after three months. "When compared with 100 milligrams of prescription minocycline [Ed note: a prescription acne oral medication] taken once daily, after three months of use, minocycline reduced the number of acne lesions by 52%, but it caused side effects in about 20% of the patients. Spearmint tea induced no side effects."

  • Alana8aSC
    6 years ago

    The chicken tortilla soup sounds amazing! My girls are doing great! My two oldest do really well in school and pretty much have it planned out. My youngest doesn't do as well, but we hope she will start doing better. I will have to read back on the post and read more recipes later. Going outside to hopefully get more stuff done now. Take Care!

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    6 years ago

    Straw I’m so glad you like it! My kids are requesting it for dinner tonight :-). What a great idea to add the greens, I will have to try that. Thank you for the tip on cooking beans, I need to go to Woodman’s soon.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    Glad to hear from you all: Manur, Alana, and Vaporvac !! This post is entitled "useful products, recipes for health & sleep" .. found out this week that Gluten-intolerance is actually allergic reaction to Round-UP sprayed on wheat before harvest. Many European countries ban glyphosate (Monsanto Round-up) on their wheat.

    I did extensive research on the effects of pesticides in my previous posts. One farmer got a heavy dose of pesticides and he came down with depression & insomnia & STUTTERING with damage to his nervous system. My kid used to eat tons of raisins when she was young, and she STUTTERED badly after each raisin-binge until I cut out the raisins (heavily sprayed). Raisin is more concentrated in pesticides-spray than grapes (which can be washed).

    I got down to 118 lb. in August 2017 (I'm 4'11" & 56-year old). Then I shot up to 125 lb. during Christmas with baked goods (lots of wheat). I bought Freedom gluten-free cereal (imported from Australia) with rice, corn, sorghum, buckwheat, and psyllium husk. I had the MOST WONDERFUL sleep with vivid dreams eating that Australian cereal before bed-time, compared to lousy sleep with other cereals (made with wheat). I also dropped down to 123 (normal BMI). Then I'm out of that Freedom-cereal, so I went back to wheat, and shot up to 125 lb AGAIN !!

    https://eluxemagazine.com/magazine/worst-foods-for-pesticides/

    "Another reason to avoid not just pasta, but wheat in general, is the presence of glyphosate. This toxic pesticide is banned in a few EU countries but may sneak into exported processed foods – On the positive side, all organic pastas tested proved to be completely safe, as did these popular brands: De Cecco, Garofalo and Barilla’s Whole Grain Pasta. "

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/almost-all-american-grains-are-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

    Glyphosate, the most common active ingredient in herbicides world-wide, has been linked to various health problems, from gluten intolerance to autism, and most recently cancer.

    It is well-known that herbicides with glyphosate are sprayed on genetically modified crops ... However, it is less well-known that glyphosate is also applied to non-GMO crops, specifically grains such as wheat and oats. It allows the farmers to harvest these crops much quicker.

    Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide, is recognized as the world’s most widely used weed killer. What is not so well known is that farmers also use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, edible beans and other crops right before harvest.

    The state of California has also moved to classify the herbicide as a probable carcinogen. A growing body of research is documenting health concerns of glyphosate as an endocrine disruptor and that it kills beneficial gut bacteria, damages the DNA in human embryonic, placental and umbilical cord cells and is linked to birth defects and reproductive problems in laboratory animals.

    74 percent of all glyphosate sprayed on crops since the mid-1970s was applied in just the last 10 years, as cultivation of GMO corn and soybeans expanded in the U.S. and globally.

    The pre-harvest use of glyphosate allows farmers to harvest crops as much as two weeks earlier than they normally would, an advantage in northern, colder regions.

    The practice spread to wheat-growing areas of North America such as the upper Midwestern U.S. and Canadian provinces such as Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

    “Consumers don’t realize when they buy wheat products like flour, cookies and bread they are getting glyphosate residues in those products,” he said. “It’s barbaric to put glyphosate in food a few days before you harvest it.”

    Wiebe believes the use of glyphosate on wheat may be connected to the rise in celiac disease. “We’ve seen an explosion of gluten intolerance,” he said. “What’s really going on?”

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/almost-all-american-grains-are-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

    Freedom's gluten-free cereal (from Australia) gives me fantastic sleep with vivid dreams at night It's nice to get away from the "genetically-modified" labels on American cereal boxes & sprayed before harvest.

    https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Foods-Ancient-Grains-Breakfast/dp/B00OKUI1IY/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1520955286&sr=1-4&keywords=freedom+cereal

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    Reported effects of glyphosate (Round-up): depression, obesity, eczema, autism, kidney disease & high serum potassium, endocrine disorders, and cancer. The practice of spraying of wheat before harvest is widespread in Alberta, Canada (found a site defending its practice). So I googled, "wheat flour and glyphosate", and found that Bob's Red Mill flour do not spray their wheat (sourced from northwest region, and King Arthur has an ORGANIC white-whole-wheat that is NOT sprayed before harvest.

    Wheat Montana DOES NOT SPRAY their wheat with Round-UP before harvest. I have been using whole-wheat flour for the past decade, and Wheat Montana is the best-tasting & freshest. See the letter from their CEO below:

    https://www.wheatmontana.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/Farming%20Practices.061515.pdf

    The nutrients in wheat has declined in modern days, due to newer varieties with shorter-root, compared to older-wheat with longer-root that can access minerals below sub-soil layer. Modern days wheat are bred with higher-starch & more gluten & more calories. Whole-wheat bread has a high-glycemic index near sugar, thus faster weight-gain.

    Below link explains how glyphosate creates an obesity epidemic by altering our gut-bacteria:

    http://www.hormonesmatter.com/glyphosate-induced-obesity/

    Below link shows how celiac disease correlates with glyphosate:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/

    Below link shows ulcerated stomach of pigs fed with glyphosate:

    http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/ppt-2014/sseneff.pdf

    Below link shows how Glyphosate and GMO hurt our farmers with decline in exports:

    http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/is-glyphosate-responsible-for-your-health-problems/

    China Rejects Contaminated Corn from America

    China has rejected imports of U.S. corn, because of genetically modified content. It is now buying corn from Brazil. Nearly 1.45 million metric tons of corn was rejected, resulting in lost sales of $427 million for the US economy. [37]

    Japan, South Korea, and Canada Act against US Produced GMO Crops

    Both Japan and South Korea cancelled orders and banned imports of what they believed was GMO-contaminated wheat from Oregon. Russia banned importation of GMO-contaminated corn. Canada banned the import of GMO-contaminated papayas from Hawaii. [38]

  • Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
    6 years ago

    You for posting that straw. Very useful.

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    6 years ago
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    Vaporvac: Thank you !! I post info. here to help myself & family toward better health. The kelp & iodine info. posted in Feb 2017 helped me to get down to 118 lb. in August 2017. I always snack 2 hours before bedtime, and keep a diary of what's eaten before bedtime and the quality of sleep.

    I notice that when I had Multigrain Cheerios before bedtime, my sleep quality was poor (zero dreams), plus icky chemical-acrid-after-taste. Then I bought gluten-free FREEDOM ancient grains (rice & corn & sorghum & buckwheat) imported from Australia .. and was surprised how improved my sleep was (with vivid dreams).

    Glyphosate is known to kill beneficial bacteria in the gut. Other effects are cancer, kidney and liver damage, endocrine/hormonal disruption, autism and depression.

    https://www.ecowatch.com/monsanto-glyphosate-cheerios-2093130379.html

    The tests conducted by Anresco were done on 29 foods commonly found on grocery store shelves. According to the report, glyphosate residues were found in:

    • General Mills' Cheerios at 1,125.3 parts per billion (ppb)
    • Kashi soft-baked oatmeal dark chocolate cookies at 275.57 ppb
    • Ritz Crackers at 270.24 ppb

    Concerns about glyphosate comes as new research shows that Roundup can cause liver and kidney damage in rats at only 0.05 ppb, and additional studies have found that levels as low as 10 ppb can have toxic effects on the livers of fish.

    The U.S. has set the ADI for glyphosate at 1.75 milligrams per kilogram of bodyweight per day (mg/kg/bw/day) while the European Union has set it at 0.3.

    https://detoxproject.org/alarming-levels-of-glyphosate-contamination-found-in-popular-american-foods/

    On the heels of the growing controversy surrounding glyphosate’s safety, this unique testing project that started in 2015, has found alarming levels of glyphosate in General Mills’ Cheerios and Honey Nut Cheerios, Kellogg’s Corn Flakes, Raisin Bran and Frosted Flakes and PepsiCo’s Doritos Cool Ranch, Ritz Crackers and Stacy’s Simply Naked Pita Chips.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.fooddemocracynow.org/images/FDN_Glyphosate_FoodTesting_Report_p2016.pdf

    Glyphosate Food Testing Results: (in parts per billion – ppb)

    General Mills Original Cheerios - 1,125.3 ppb Honey Nut Cheerios – 670.2 ppb – 14.5 Wheaties – 31.2 ppb Trix - 9.9 ppb Gluten Free Bunny Cookies Cocoa & Vanilla – 55.13* ppb Kellogg’s Corn Flakes – 78.9 ppb Raisin Bran – 82.9 ppb Organic Promise - 24.9 ppb Special K - 74.6 ppb Frosted Flakes - 72.8 ppb Cheez-It (Original) – 24.6 ppb Cheez-It (Whole Grain) – 36.25* ppb Soft-Baked Cookies, Oatmeal Dark Chocolate – 275.58* ppb Nabisco Ritz Crackers – 270.24 ppb Triscuit – 89.68 ppb Oreo Original – 289.47* ppb

    https://www.bestfoodfacts.org/glyphosate-in-food/

  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/ppt-2014/sseneff.pdf

    Pigs Fed GMOs Develop Inflamed Gut*
    *J.A. Carman et al., Journal of Organic Systems, 8(1), 2013.
    • Blind autopsies conducted
    – Female pigs' uterus 25% larger

    in GMO-fed pigs
    – Female pigs 2.2x more likely
    to get severe stomach
    inflammation on GMO diet

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/gmo-feed-pigs_n_3423494.html

    " Pigs that ate the GM diet had a higher rate of severe stomach inflammation - 32 percent of GM-fed pigs compared to 12 percent of non-GM-fed pigs. The inflammation was worse in GM-fed males compared to non-GM fed males by a factor of 4.0, and GM-fed females compared to non-GM-fed females by a factor of 2.2. As well, GM-fed pigs had uteri that were 25 percent heavier than non-GM fed pigs, the study said."

    From Straw: below link explains how glyphosate (Round-Up) in our crops contribute to obesity, celiac disease, gluten intolerance, and autism:

    http://www.hormonesmatter.com/glyphosate-induced-obesity/

  • User
    6 years ago

    Thank you for all that information Straw!

    By the way, what are your thoughts on David Austin Crown Princess Margareta for my shady spot and A Shropshire Lad?

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  • strawchicago z5
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    I have CPM for the past 6 years .. it gets HUGE, need a 6 feet wide space. It throws 7 feet canes, very messy. I don't have A.S.L, but HMF lists that as one foot less wide than CPM. Jay-Jay in the Netherlands have A.S.L. and he raved about how well that does in alkaline clay (his soil pH is 8).

    I did research on A.S.L. and few folks complained about its 2 flushes a year, rather than 3 flushes. CPM is a constant bloomer if there's enough sun.


  • User
    6 years ago

    Hmmm...so maybe it wouldn’t flower as well in 4hrs of sun. I was reading about the blooming issues with ASL, but I do like the almost thornless feature ;-)

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  • strawchicago z5
    Original Author
    6 years ago

    Manur: Since you have 2 young boys, it's easier to maintain roses if they are SMALL SHRUB, rather than CLIMBERS like CPM and ASL. These climbers require ungodly amount of water to bloom for their huge size (6' x 7'), versus LESS maintenance for small-bush. Jude the Obscure is only 1' x 1' as own-root and 3 branches, and it's happy with 1 gallon of water, versus 30 gallons for CPM with its many branches.

    Pat Austin is quite small & slender compared to CPM. For light pink, Olivia Austin is a better choice than stingy & huge A.S.L. Olivia Austin blooms in partial shade for many people & a constant bloomer. Plus Olivia Austin is compact & can be grown in a pot & require less water.


  • User
    6 years ago

    I didn’t think of that! You are right, less maintenance is better. I u derstand Jude needs full sun, is yours on full sun? I’ll take a look at Olivia. Pat is still a runner up, but since i’m Inexperienced, I want to be able to plant it in the spring vs waiting for summer.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Jude is a water-hog and does better in partial shade. Jude is meant for warm climate, and died in my zone 5a many times as own-root through cold winter.

    Vicky in Chicagoland likes Olivia so much that she has several (all in partial shade). With own-root roses, they are best in POTS first or in-ground with partial shade until their roots mature .. regardless of summer or spring. Own-root roses have tiny roots at first & tend to dry out fast & need frequent watering the 1st month.

    If your roses are GRAFTED on Dr. Huey (giant deep root), they can take full-sun & rock-hard clay immediately. I have seen many Dr.Huey-take-over, and it's a pain to kill Dr. Huey (took me 1 1/2 hour). Own-roots are best in the long-run.

  • User
    6 years ago

    Thank you, Straw! I think I asked you about Jude before, so I apologize for being repetitive. I’m going to drive down to a big nursery in Crystal Lake and ask if they know what DA roses they are getting this year vs buying online.

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  • strawchicago z5
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    6 years ago
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    Manur: Big nurseries rarely have own-roots, but David Austin-on-line do offer own-roots (plus 20% coupon). The advantage of own-roots is LESS water and maintenance in the long run. Own-roots are smaller thus less pruning needed & less watering. People report that own-roots from David Austin-on-line is LARGEST compared to other own-root nurseries, but own-roots from David Austin come as bare-roots (zero leaves), and need spring rain to sprout the upper growth. Own-roots from Roses Unlimited come as full-growth with flowers but with smaller roots.

    Since this post is getting long, I started another post (see below link) to discuss on Favorite roses & products & health concerns:

    https://www.houzz.com/discussions/worthy-roses-2018-and-favorite-products-and-health-and-glyphosate-round-up-dsvw-vd~5197301?n=107

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