Great Maidens Blush vs KvD vs Chloris
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Comments (17)Well, I wrote to Pickering about 'Minette' and gave them the short story along with the best evidence I could muster (collected descriptions of the real 'Minette' from Dickerson versus Leonie Bell on 'Banshee'), asking them to look over their stock and decide for themselves whether they're actually selling 'Banshee'. Hopefully that will help stem the tide of the naming confusion on this continent. I'm afraid Scandinavia might be too hard a nut to crack due to the language barrier, though. Maybe someday....See MoreOwn root vs grafted
Comments (29)This is an interesting subject I have spend a lot of time and energy on, and I really like hearing others opinon :-) I wish some of the large rose producers would give us their knowlege or that someone does a large scale test of rootstocks in differnt locations that last at least 6 years. Kordes, Meilland and others must have lots of experience in this, not to mention nurseries in US. There are some old tests (1940's and 50's) that lasted 7 years or so, with field grown roses where the grafted roses did much better than any ownroot. For Europe north of the Alps three roses as rootstock came out better than others: Laxa, multiflora and a few canina varieties. Personally I have grown and observed alba roses like Minette, Maiden's Blush, Felicite Parmentier both as grafted plants and grown from rooted cuttings. In most cases all the grafed ones are larger even after something like 30-50 years (I have only planted roses the last 10 years). They say a grafed rose live on average something like 5 years, but some varieties really grow old as grafted plants. Maiden's Blush and Felicite Parmentier does not sucker much, if at all. Most likely it is the canina understock that is the root of these plants.These varieties are well worth growing ownroot and have vigour and resilience enough to stand on their ownfeet almost any where. In the rosarium in my town they grow a lot of rugosas, many of them really don't need any help from canina roots, or any other. Still they often are produced as grafted plants. I think it was Fru Dagmar Hastrup that was bought and planted on canina roots and did fine on them for a long time. Something like 6 years later they dug the plants up, sawed of the rootstock that still was the main root on all plants. This was done as an experiment and in hope that the plant would not grow as tall. They got the desired result, about 50 cm (just under two feet) shorter. The plants looked just as good on canina roots as ownroot. What I find interesting here it the fact that these rugosas do very well ownroot and really have no problem with the climate in any way. It seams that the understock gives the plant extra growth and energy. I have noticed this with climbers too, New Dawn, Blaze and a few climbing hybrid teas. They grow taller no doubt, and often look healthier and more resilient than ownroot plants. Floribundas and hybrid teas are even more dependent on streangth from the rootstock, and mostly there are no contest at all between ownroot and grafted. Pots seam to be the exeption and with extra care some grow into fine plants. I have read that multiflora does better in pots than other rootstocks. I have not had the chance to test this out, but multiflora does very well in pots. One of the arguments of those who produce ownroot roses is that grafted roses is less costly and done with less laber. This is not true. There was a time when grafting roses was considered both more expensive and more work, but the end result was found better. Another argument is that ownroot plants often look better in the garden and often will grow more shapely. This is not true either, I state this with observations from both the south of France and Northern Europe. A very long time ago grafting of roses was done with different techniques (in the time of Gertrude Jekyll). I don't know of any roses that is many with any other method than "oculation" (I don't know if this is the right term in English): Where a tiny T-shaped cut is made on the root-neck of the rootstock and an eye from the disired rose is slided under the fresh bark in the T-shaped cut. The root-stock is slightly pulled up from the soil, for the neck of the root to be exposed. This gives the plants by far much the same shape as a rose grown on its own roots. The budding point is not easily detected and the plants are not more leggy than ownroots. I dare state that there is no difference is shape even when grown right next to an ownroot rose of the same variety. After making such a rant about this, I have to mention that I happily rot cuttings of almost any rose :-)...See MoreQuestion about spraying
Comments (8)'now I judt have to fimd the best application to fight the cercospora' Synthetic fungicides containing any drastic ingredient in the class of stobilurins (e.g. pyraxostrobin, azoxystrobin, trifloxystrobin etc), don't let Henry know I told you about it, or copper based fungicides if you want to be somewhat more 'ecological' and a quite bit safer yourself. Can't help you with specific brands since I'm not resident in the US but over here Cabrio, Switch and Flint would fall in the first category (the same would fight botrytis blight also). Best method (regardless of health concerns and the like) would be to alternate between strobilurins and copper. Disclaimer: A bit of fungal disease should be acceptable to anybody growing roses in his/her garden in my view. So use sparingly....See MoreAlba Roses Photo Share?
Comments (28)Tangles, I'm so glad you are going to order the Queen! I feel she is one of the loveliest roses ever created. What country do you reside in? Yes, your impression is correct. The Queen is more of an arching shrub that is somewhat languid and very graceful. She grows beautifully on a tripod, as a fence or wall shrub or tied to a trellis. I grow mine next to a wall and support her with a surround of rebar and and plant twine. She and Basye's Purple and Botzaris weave together as they throw out their arching canes across the bed. When the Queen's canes arch horizontally, she blooms all along the canes. Please post photos when your rose(s) arrive! I'd love to share in your excitement. :-) Carol...See MoreMischievous Magpie (CO 5b)
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