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Is this really John Davis?

Cuteleier Z6 KS

2 years ago

last modified: 2 years ago

I went to our rose park today. This climbing rose is labeled as John Davis but it does not look like JD to me. Even the leaves seem to look different. It has 7 leaflets. The flowers are beautiful and has many petals and they are nodding. It really looks like an Austin rose to me. Anybody could possible know what rose it is if it’s not JD? Thanks!

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flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA

2 years ago

I have a few John Davis bushes around the garden, and I see some similarities, but I question if it is JD, too. The form and color of the bloom is different. The shade of foliage is also different, but both have small leaves, and I see a 7 leaf leaflet in the third photo near the lower left side, but more 5 leaf leaflets than 7. If I had to make a stab at it, I would say they're not the same rose.

These are all 10 - 20 years old, and photos are from last year.

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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
2 years ago
last modified: 2 years ago
I wonder if Rick could pipe up here. To me, it doesn't look like JD either. Where are you located, Cute?
Cuteleier Z6 KS
Original Author
2 years ago
@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR This is at Loose Park in Kansas City.
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
2 years ago
It almost reminds me more of my relatively new Colette. I had John Davis and it doesn't really remind me of it.
Cuteleier Z6 KS thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
Cuteleier Z6 KS
Original Author
2 years ago
@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR They do have a Colette there although currently no flowers. I will compare the leaves from the two plants when I go there next time. Thank you!
Cuteleier Z6 KS
Original Author
2 years ago
@flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA Thank you! Your JD is absolutely gorgeous! Does your JD repeat?

I don’t have JD but it does not look like JD to me either. This rose seems to have a different shade of pink flowers. The center is darker and fades to a lighter color and the flowers are slightly cupped. That’s why it reminds me of Austin roses.

It seems hardy in our zone and has a good vigor. Plus it has flowers in our 100 F summer and with good color and form. I’d love to grow this rose if i know what it is lol .
Cuteleier Z6 KS
Original Author
2 years ago

@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR The other flower is slightly peach so I’m guessing it is Colette.
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
2 years ago
Colette is also a wonderful rose, so you really do need both JD and Colette, Cute.
Cuteleier Z6 KS thanked Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
2 years ago
Yes, my JD repeats. The one in the shade is blooming right now. The ones in sun are pouting and asking for an umbrella and a glass of ice tea. The spring bloom is best.
Cuteleier Z6 KS thanked flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA

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