Bumping up.

I couldn't offer any kind of constructive comment on prices -- the procedures are variable (based on the specifics of your dog, and what they need to do), and the costs vary with location as well. I have no idea what's reasonable in your location.

Sorry.

Is the vet a boarded veterinary dentist? If not, I'd take along x-ray copies and get a second opinion about what needs to be done and for how much. Good luck to both of you. Many GP dentists do "dental work" (and many other things) well beyond what they're trained to do and capable of doing correctly. Same reason why many will give treatments and advice bordering on malpractice before referring a patient away to a specialist who's really needed. Why? Money.

Do you have any veterinary schools near you? They could do dental work with deep discount.

From what I've read here over the years, I feel your veterinarian costs are far cheaper than ours in Canada anyway. It seems like our dental is always close to $1,000.

Drive to Canada after the border openning on Jul 21st.

Ha ha

We are resigned and committed to this dog.

I was able to sign on - first time in ages. Toronto Veterinarian is quite correct that she/he is unable to comment on the quotes provided. I live in Toronto. Generally we are given quotes ranging from low (although the "low" quote is very high) to high. Jasdip is also correct in posting that rates in Canada are much higher than in the U.S. I remember when our dog had to have a dental and I was being beaten up by the breed specific board over the cost by US residents until 3 Cdns. also in large cities took pity on me and said that is what they paid.

And the quotes provided are for our regular Vet to perform the surgery, not as Elmer suggested - a Board Certified Vet Dentist. Those quotes would be much higher. There is a major shortage of vets across Canada - they have opened up spots at the vet schools but it will take a number of years for people to complete their studies then there is the 3 year "internship" whereby someone with less than 3 years in practice must have a vet with more than 3 years experience supervising them.

If you want to see how bad it is in Ontario just sign on to the OVMA and look under Veterinarians Wanted. Where you are located will most definitely have an impact on the price and in a City like Toronto the costs are very high.

HI ECCENTRIC!!!!!! Waving madly.

"There is a major shortage of vets across Canada - they have opened up spots at the vet schools but it will take a number of years for people to complete their studies then there is the 3 year "internship" whereby someone with less than 3 years in practice must have a vet with more than 3 years experience supervising them."

I think you have some bad information. I will freely admit to having no on the ground experience with vets in Canada but here's a bit I learned from poking around and from my familiarity with things in the US because of having a vet in the family whose career progress I'm familiar with.

There are 5 accredited vet schools in Canada, a country with a population of about 37 million. Until 10 years ago, there was 1 vet school in my state, with a current population of nearly 40 million. A second vet school opened and became accredited in 2010, the first new vet school in the US since 1983. There are a total of 150 MD degree granting medical schools in the US, against a total of 30 vet schools. Some US vet schools are on the small side and I believe most are smaller in enrollment than the average US medical school. So, you're not alone up there in having a shortage of vets.

The American Association of Veterinary Medical Colleges is a major accreditation body. Vet schools in the US, in Canada, several in Australia and New Zealand, a number in the British Isles and a few in Europe are so accredited. Which means, a graduate of an accredited school who passes the licensing exam in another country is given the right to practice. In some cases, there is reciprocity license granting, meaning - having a valid license in one country (and a degree from an accredited school) is adequate to obtain a license in another. Whatever the vet to population ratio in Canada is or isn't, I can tell you that there is a noticeable presence of Canadian educated vets practicing in the US. So how ever many are produced by Canadian schools, not all stay.

Lastly,

"it will take a number of years for people to complete their studies then there is the 3 year "internship""

I believe this is incorrect. There is certainly no mandatory post-doctoral degree training in the US and most vet school grads go right to work so in that the systems are parallel, I'd be surprised if it's any different up your way but maybe so. Perhaps someone with real knowledge and lean in.

It's not like new grads can go rent and equip a new facility, get cards printed, open the doors and expect patients to start arriving for services. Let's round up and say ALL who don't go on for specialty residencies go to work for established practices or buy an existing practice. And specialists, once they complete their added years of training, do the same, for the same reason.

If I have something wrong, let me know. Thanks in advance.

"There are 5 accredited vet schools in Canada, a country with a population of about 37 million."

Yes, one in French and 4 in English........think in terms of the number of available vet school seats, not the number of vet schools. Just as we have about 1/10 the population, we have about 1/10 the number of vet school seats as does the US. Unlike the US, though, we have many fewer vets who go to school outside of the country and then return to work (the US has a few hundred who go to Caribbean vet schools and work in the US after graduation). Also unlike the US, our vet school applicants are limited to which schools they can apply to, and the schools are limited to whom they can accept (based on residency). So we have a little bit fewer, proportionally, because of the number of US students who go to Caribbean schools.

"There is certainly no mandatory post-doctoral degree training in the US and most vet school grads go right to work"

Yup, there is no requirement for post-grad internship or residencies; every year about 1/3 of the graduating class pursues and internship, and plans to move towards a residency, and the remaining 2/3 start work in various types of jobs (not all in clinical medicine).

Right now, both the US and Canada have a significant shortage of vets, not so much because of the number of graduating vets, I think, but because the workload is increasing - more vet visits, more required hours - and vets are less willing to work 50+ hour weeks on a regular basis. There are lots of clinics, in big cities and small towns, looking to hire more vets (and have been looking for years). Right now, the demand for vets outweighs the supply -- not sure how long that will last.

Your 1/3 internship figure is too high. You may have heard of the VIRMP system, it's the match system used by both academic and private ops offering positions, and students applying, for locations in both the US and Canada for internships and residencies. Here are the numbers for Canadian vet school graduates applying for (usually) one year internships beginning July 1, 2021:

Montreal 22

Ontario 18

PEI 12

Sask 10

Calg 8

In the US, only a few vet schools are NOT state schools and the ones that are typically limit out of state acceptances to a very small number. Usually less than 10%. Because Ross in St Kitts is also accredited in Canada, I'm sure there are plenty of Canadian students there too. It's a private school, no restrictions on admissions. Also coming to Canada are certainly grads from the UK and Oceania

The numbers I mentioned for schools, and yes talking about seats is fine, was in the context of my state having, until not that long ago, about 100 and now about 120 incoming seats open per year. For decades. In a state with a greater population than Canada.

If you think having a few hundred extra grads a year (if it is that many) coming to the US, with over 330 million people makes a noticeable difference in the vet profession, well, haha. They're all but invisible. The one group that isn't invisible is Canadians. Lots of Canadian vet grads who've emigrated to the US.