How far does patio extend ? Past french doors?
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3 years ago
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Hello!
I am installing a bluestone patio, and mapped out where the contractor was putting it.
I feel starting it just outside the perimeter of my french doors is looking weird. I have mapped out 17 x 35 with pink tape. What is the normal protocol for where to start patios when you have french doors? Should it extend past each set of french doors a few feet? Or maybe to the end of the house? Thanks! :)
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HU-187528210
3 years ago
fnmroberts
3 years ago
I don’t believe there is any specific measurement in answer to your question. I believe the patio and landscaping must be viewed ads a whole. We have a single French door. Our patio is 26 feet wide with additional 8 feet (hidden by Arborvitae) on one side for a hot tub and 9 feet grilling space (behind fence) on the opposite side. Gardens are 24 feet diameter. Hope this helps, difficult to imagine in advance so draw out on a copy of your plat.
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Comments (13)2 doors with separate frames = 2 separate doorways mulled together. This does not equal a 6' opening, except during the rough framing stage. You will have 2 separate completely framed openings side by side by the description given. I have seen the setup I think you're talking about (2 doors in 1 single frame to mimic the look of the patio doors). They took 2 doors and put a working latch & deadbolt on one and the receptor on the other. The receptor door also had a non-functioning handle and a slide bolt on the top & bottom for stability/security when the door was in the closed & locked position. You might be able to have a 3 point locking mechanism installed--check with your builder on this. The big thing that stands out to me when you do this is that it is hard to get the same look of the patio doors. Patio doors like you get from Pella, Jeld-wen, Andersen, Marvin, etc all have a more sleek look because the glass sits in a low profile frame. Most imitators have a bulky plastic frame that holds the glass in place. In my experience, the plastic yellows (even with a coat of paint on it) and the plugs for the screw holes never line up properly. The closest I have been able to find to a door that looks like the real patio doors from the manufacturers mentioned above is the Plastpro flush glazed door. You may want to check them out. If you want to see photos, just ask--we used the Plastpro doors on our house. Here is a link that might be useful: Plastpro Flush Glazed Doors...See MoreSingle French Door, Regular French Doors of Sliding French Doors
Comments (8)Decent quality sliding - or folding sliding doors - will do the job and last more than 15 years. Of course you have to fit them properly for a good seal so choose an experienced fitter, a specialist fitter or buy a door that can be fitted by the manufacturer. As with anything, you get what you pay for. Untreated softwoods are likley to warp over time so treated woods, hardwoods or metal doors will perform well over a longer period....See MoreFrench patio doors - better for one to stay stationary?
Comments (18)All French doors have a primary and secondary leaf. That is because there is a vertical weather seal known as an astragal on the outside leading edge of the secondary leaf so that leaf must be closed before the primary leaf. To open requires the primary leaf to be opened and then the secondary leaf can be opened. On older French doors the primary and secondary left are called active and inactive. The active leaf locks with a dead bolt to the inactive leaf which is locked to the head and sill with some kind of surface bolts. Newer French doors offer hidden multi-point locking that allows each door leaf to be opened with a lever handle. To close and lock the doors, the secondary door is closed and top and bottom locking pins are set by lifting the lever handle. Then the primary door leaf is closed and either top and bottom pins are set into the head and sill by lifting a lever handle or top and bottom hooked pins are set into the edge of the secondary door leaf. A dead bolt operated with an interior thumb turn is usually included on the primary leaf. I know that one of these systems is offered by Andersen on their Frenchwood and their Renewal models and Marvin offers it on their Ultimate French doors. I would guess many other manufacturers also offer this kind of hardware and Baldwin and Emtek offer the handle sets. A reason to not use a multi-locking system is to save money but you should at least price the option. Here is a video of multi-point locking. Here is another...See Moredoes a wall scone need to extend past the plane of the cabinet?
Comments (14)Its the only bathroom. Bigger and better than it was :) Door does open the other way not towards the wall where the cabinet is. Although I guess you mean the cabinet door? On the IKEA website they do show this cabinet with a globe like sconce on just one side. But a sconce on one side is not something I've seen much. Just to clarify what Flo described, the center line of the fixture should be at (minimum) the cabinet depth essentially? allowing the globe or shade to extend past the cabinet depth totaling 6-10"? On the subject of the cabinet door hitting the sconce I guess we will have to balance how far away the fixture is vs smashing the light? Is there also a minimum distance of the fixture from the cabinet? So many questions for something so simple! You can see the bathroom is quite small and we were trying to maximize storage, hence the deeper cabinet. hope this is clear. Thank you for the thoughts....See More- PRO
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Jennifer K
3 years agoThink about how you want to landscape around your patio. That will affect where you want to put the edges. My first thought when I saw your layout was that you would be putting raised beds on either side. You could use one for a kitchen garden and grow herbs and lettuce there (very comfy to work in). The sides of the bed could be stone to match your patio and provide extra seating. Something like this except accessible from all sides:
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tangerinedoor
3 years agofnmroberts
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoThese are aerial pix to show landscaping around our patio. This is more than 20 years of maturity but your planning horizon needs to imagine that far into the future.
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