Hot Compost From Garden Waste vs From Horse Manure/Hay/Plant Waste
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Comments (52)Perhaps this country went astray the past twenty five or so years or were brainwashed in most areas.Everything is a big deal 90% of the people who have gas guzzling pickups no more need a truck than a hole in their head.They all moved to the suburbs from town and ASSUMED a truck was part of the package actually most never need to go to the land fill or recycling center.We do alot of pruning every year and rather than take the trimming away I find spots in the yard over the snow fence behing some evergreens and make a brush pile the birds love it for shelter and it quicker than you would think breaks down in a natual way so r their is room for next years branches.Same idea with leaves ,grass clippings kitchen scraps and dog poop.No need for bins and formal composting equipment.I have areas around the property that need rehab thus I start a new temporary composting area.Recently I realized a large Blue Spruce of mine was on the verge of malnutrision so it is my lastest compost area if my wife complains the paper etc is un sightly I cover with a little bark mulch and dress it up being in front of the house one would never guess it was a compost pile.Add some red wiggler worms and away you go.The Blue Spruce by the way is looking great....See MoreRecycled waste used for compost
Comments (12)I think we can expect some health issues if we grow vegetables in the compost we buy If you understand the concept of 'composting' you would know that this is really not a valid concern. Biosolids, or the product that is derived from sewage, can have some concerns about heavy metals which many would prefer to avoid but municipal composting operations derived from recycled yard waste, etc. should pose minimal concerns. The possibility that they contain persistent herbicides is slim, as laws regarding the composting of material treated with these products - limited to only agricultural, golf courses and some county maintenance applications; no homeowners - require it be composted and reused onsite. And even if some were detected in bagged compost, their only impact is to prevent the growth of certain plants so potential uptake by plants is extremely limited at best. And molds and fungi are a normal part of the composting process and to be expected if moisture and heat conditions are suitable. They also pose no human heath concern. It may also be useful to know that several common antibiotics were discovered as a result of a composting process. There's good stuff in compost.......not much bad!! And "certified organic" compost, which is more common than most folks think, is deemed 'organic' after testing specifically for the presence of heavy metals and any other contaminates (like pesticides). It's not that the ingredients need to be certified organic - absolutely NO way to verify that aspect - it's that the output or product is considered organic via the composting process....See MoreComposting w/ cow vs. horse manure?
Comments (10)The N content will vary depending on what the animal has been eating. For instance a cow from a poor pasture will not have much wasted N in the manure. But manure taken from a cow lot may have a lot more. This manure will not only have more wasted N but also have a lot of urine mixed in. It would hold true for horses also. Having said this, if both are composted with browns then the N will be mostly be used up in the composting process. It is always suggested that all manures be well composted before use. On another note it was said in another post the seed will be killed off in the rumin system. I add different seeds to cattle supplement to spread it over a pasture. In nature this is how a lot of seed is spread....See Morerisks of using horse manure that is not composted thoroughly
Comments (49)Karen, why use raw manure, you ask? Because the point of using the manure directly is for the nitrogen. The nitrogen that is lost in composting. In fact, many of us use manure in compost because we know it will lose it's nitrogen as it's used to activate that pile. If applied directly to a field and tilled in, more of the nitrogen sticks around and is available when the plant needs it. The bacteria that eat it up in the pile aren't nearly so prevalent in the soil. You can't have the production we have today organically because production today is only possible because we have enough synthesized nitrogen. Farms need as much nitrogen as possible if they don't go synthetic because it doesn't stick around for long in the ground. Especially when you till that ground for planting, which is one of the many reasons for no-till farming. If only composted manure was used, the farms would go out of business thanks to reduced yields. Otherwise, don't you think the USDA would prohibit the use of raw manure altogether? It's necessary. It's that simple. Man has overcome that in only one way, with chemicals. Chemicals not used by those who go the "organic" route. Kimm, what is it with you and changing words but putting them in quotes as if they aren't your own words? (I know it seems like a matter of semantics to some of you, but factory farming is a very intensive method that involves animal cruelty and the overuse of antibiotics, which makes animal feces toxic and sometimes full of mutated bacteria. Not the same as a family farm or an industrialized organic farm.) I said industrialized farming and the organic farm you mention is likely the same as the one that Karen mentioned concerning the huge surprise E-coli outbreak with an organic spinach producer. THAT IS AN INDUSTRIALIZED FARM! Again, you try to twist things. Industrialized doesn't mean non-organic and you know it. This website is supposed to be about helping people. Not misleading them so you look like you know what you are talking about. So stop doing so. Besides, just because something is recalled doesn't mean it was because they used manure and I know you know that, too. Show me which one determined that listeria was from the manure conclusively. I mean, I can actually reference sources. Can you? In fact, all of those that involve listeria that I have found specifically make a point to mention it could be from manure OR soil. Doesn't exactly prove much, now does it? The only ones that were proven to be from manures in soil were the E-coli outbreaks. The salmonella was from manure being sprayed directly on the plants. That has nothing to do with this discussion. The thread is about putting manure on your garden in fall. Not directly spraying your plants with a water-manure mix. Okay. I'll stop on this thread. There are real resources out there. I referenced some. Go enjoy gardening and refuse to live in fear unless the facts (and I mean all of them)......See Morewestes Zone 9b California SF Bay
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