If you are concerned about maneuvering around an open dishwasher, consider a drawer dishwasher. They're excellent in tight spaces because they don't open as far.

Not kitchen specifically, but is there a reason to put the door between DR and kitchen where you have it? I'd prefer the dining room doors to be symmetrical.

Have you considered a small hall between the rooms? Then build the kitchen allllll along the remaining wall. You'd just ignore the perpendicular wall, perhaps with deeper cabinetry and/or the fridge around it.

Not to scale :P

@Fori- thanks for the mock up. The existing door to the dining room is shown on the plan- we don't plan on moving that. It is right against the exterior wall, which allows for the dinning room to be able to have a decent size dining table in it. Right now, we have a sideboard on the 10' wall, then about 2.5' of space, then the dining table and chairs. The traffic path is walk on the side by the bay window- around the table and directly into the kitchen. With where you moved the entrance to the kitchen, how would you place the dining table? I can't picture how that would work.

The Pass through that I show on the kitchen plan is putting in cabinets with a counter top that extends in to the dinning room side as well as the kitchen- It would in effect become built in sideboard.

@Fori- excellent point about the dishwasher drawer. I had not considered that. Do you think that is a better option or should I shrink the island by 6" in width so that the distance to that point in the wall is 45"? It would make the rest of the aisle 54"- is that getting too big? I could bring out the base cabinets to make the counter extra deep at 30".

@anj_p- I like your idea to increase the base cabinet from 24 to 36 and make it more symmetrical. Do you think that 36" would be enough prep space between the range and the fridge? I had it offset as I was hoping to be able to get a good section of uninterrupted counter top space.

The door will open about 25", which will leave you with enough room to squeeze by if you need to, in its current location. You won't need to shrink the island unless you want to. If you move the DW, whether it's a drawer or a door, it will still be in the prep space. I would be wary of dishwasher drawers for heavy use - a friend of mine got them and they were nothing but trouble. She ended up replacing them after a year with a regular dishwasher. Granted, that's just anecdotal, but her experience was enough to keep me from considering it in my kitchen.

My powder room is in the same place as in @Fori's plan and it works well, but instead of having a pantry across from the entrance, the entire area is a hallway in my home. If you left that whole area empty you wouldn't need to move the doorway, but you would be giving up a bit more valuable space to a hallway. Might be worth it to get the powder room out of the kitchen, although since you have that stub wall to contend with I do understand why you put it where it is.

Most people prep next to the sink, so your prep space would be on the island above the trash & CSO. (Honestly, having the trash where you prep is perfect). You could *stage* your cooking next to the range on either side, but you wouldn't necessarily prep there, unless that's where you WANT to prep. Personally, I prefer prepping at the island so I can talk to people while I work. You would have ~3.5' of room on that side of your sink to prep. If you really want to prep on your wall counter, then I think 3 feet is sufficient space. The only negative for prepping @ your island is you need to keep your sink clear :)

ETA: I think 36" drawers are more useful than 3-24" drawers, which is why I made the suggestion initially. Assuming you're doing drawer bases.

Makes sense, with the doorway.

I don't really mind the potty in the kitchen. I can see into two bathrooms from my kitchen if the doors are all just so. :)

I am a big fan of 30" deep lower cabinets. I'd recommend having 18" deep uppers over them so short people like me can reach the same amount of cabinet as we can with a standard setup. (If you can get actual 30" deep cabinets instead of faking it with 24s, do it. The storage gained is amazing.)

I've had dishwasher drawers in 3 homes and loved them all. They must be installed properly and the user has to learn proper loading techniques. I currently don't have one and I miss it, although obviously a big single DW has some advantages. I like to prep with my DW open so I can put stuff in as I go. A shinsplitting DW door makes this less optimal, no matter how much space you have.

@anj_p- Yes, I plan on doing prep at the sink, but was thinking when one of the kiddos wants to make something they would most likely prep in the space between the fridge and range. I am going to draw up a plan with your suggestions. Since we have limited space now, that 36" will still be a huge improvement over what we have now.

I am going to do all drawer bases- so excited to finally have some decent storage. I do see what you mean about 2-36 drawers having more usable space than the 3-24"

@Fori- I an open to your suggestion of moving the powder room, I just want to be sure it would not adversely affect the dining room- since that is our only place to have a table. Do you see a way to do what you suggested and still have room for a table?

I am hoping to meet with a couple of custom cabinet makers once I get the layout narrowed down. Since I really don't have that many cabinets and not a ton of space, I want to make every bit count. I would love 29" deep cabinets, rather than just pulling them out from the wall. Regarding the the uppers, I would have thought going with 15" deep uppers, not 18", thanks for that suggestion.

It sound like you feel that I should shrink the island by the 6" to make the aisle wider and it would allow me to keep the DW to the right of the sink, still open the door and there would be 20"in front of the open door (not ideal). I am going to look into the dishwasher drawers and see what those cost. Although I think my priority will be trying to get those 29" deep cabinets!

You could do the potty like this (obviously not to scale):

but you would lose the passthrough. You could perhaps enlarge the DR-Kitchen door to make up for it since it'd be a bowling alley or a powder room the way I "drew" it but if you have classy old woodwork in the DR it wouldn't be worth it.

Your original location for the PR is not bad and doesn't require moving!

I don't know if you need to move the DW. Or change the island. I haven't really looked at that. I'm oddly focused on the PR even though it doesn't need to go anywhere.

Of course if it were mine, I'd do an L and use a table instead of an island.

Also, interesting tidbit, my cabinetmaker doesn't upcharge for 18"/30" cabinets because plywood comes in 48" sheets whether he uses it all or not. The drawer boxes and slides will be more of course